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Pro-Choice? 66 84.62%
Pro-Life 7 8.97%
Prefer Not To Choose 5 6.41%
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Old 02-10-2014, 12:19 AM   #201 (permalink)
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I don't even get why you think that is necessary.
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I don't even get why you think that is necessary.
Well if you're going to kill your kid, you should only be allowed to do it once. That's just my philosophy.
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Well if you're going to kill your kid, you should only be allowed to do it once. That's just my philosophy.
You don't know their circumstances. Also you make it seem like having an abortion is just an easy peasy thing. It is a heavy and hard decision to make. Also just because someone has an abortion doesn't mean they shouldn't ever be able to procreate because of that one instance. They might be in a better place in life later on to have kids.
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You don't know their circumstances. Also you make it seem like having an abortion is just an easy peasy thing. It is a heavy and hard decision to make. Also just because someone has an abortion doesn't mean they shouldn't ever be able to procreate because of that one instance. They might be in a better place in life later on to have kids.
Oh, please do tell me about the difficulties of abortion.

See, to me the "better place in life" thing doesn't work. Where are you in life that it's so bad that it's okay to kill your fetus instead of giving birth to it, and giving it a chance to live it's life, even if it's in an adopted family, or living in poverty? I don't really get that, and I'm trying as hard as I can to think about it from as many perspectives as I can.

As for being able to procreate, I don't think you should be able to, because you're essentially proving your worth as a parent. Morally, what's the difference between killing a fetus and killing your kid when he's developed senses and is actually considered a human being?
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So because you don't really get something. You think it is okay to intrude on someone's life and the decisions they make. This is the same thing that old men in congress do think they can make decisions for what women should and shouldn't be able to do with their vagina and that is ****ed up.

There is a big difference between killing a fetus and a kid morally. They are in no way similar.
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See, to me the "better place in life" thing doesn't work. Where are you in life that it's so bad that it's okay to kill your fetus instead of giving birth to it, and giving it a chance to live it's life, even if it's in an adopted family, or living in poverty? I don't really get that, and I'm trying as hard as I can to think about it from as many perspectives as I can.
I have similar thoughts to this about abortion, adoption and the child's parental issues. Children who don't know their biological parents is far from being the only serious parental issues to have. I don't understand how that's a substantial reason as to why a woman should get an abortion.

If it was some serious deformity or some severe case of Neurofibromatosis then I can somewhat understand.

(perhaps the "caring" statement was a little off.)
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So because you don't really get something. You think it is okay to intrude on someone's life and the decisions they make. This is the same thing that old men in congress do think they can make decisions for what women should and shouldn't be able to do with their vagina and that is ****ed up.
I don't get a lot of things. Murder, rape, the pain you go throw during child birth... Not being able to be a viable parent and aborting your fetus is pretty far down on the list, but yeah, I kind do think that's pretty senseless.

I'm not making a choice with a woman's vagina, the woman is making a choice with someone else's life, whether they have the capacity to think or not, they're still a living entity, and a human being at that.

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How so? Morally, they're both living human beings, one just hasn't developed, and for some reason is seen as "ok" to kill.

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I have similar thoughts to this about abortion, adoption and the child's parental issues. Children who don't know their biological parents is far from being the only serious parental issues to have. I don't understand how that's a substantial reason as to why a woman should get an abortion.

If it was some serious deformity or some severe case of Neurofibromatosis then I can somewhat understand.

(perhaps the "caring" statement was a little off.)
I'm just being a devil's advocate because I see both sides of the argument, and I think that people are entirely too sure of their opinions on this particular issue. On the other side of the coin, the fetus doesn't have senses, so it would never even know the concept of existence, and it could be seen as "mercy" if the parent couldn't be an adequate provider, or as you said, if it had some sort of birth defect or if it potentially endangered the mother's life.

I actually support the right to choose, mainly because it could potentially endanger a mother's life, and because the fetus hasn't developed senses, so it isn't like killing an infant that can feel pain, and has experienced life.

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I'm just being a devil's advocate because I see both sides of the argument, and I think that people are entirely too sure of their opinions on this particular issue. On the other side of the coin, the fetus doesn't have senses, so it would never even know the concept of existence, and it could be seen as "mercy" if the parent couldn't be an adequate provider, or as you said, if it had some sort of birth defect or if it potentially endangered the mother's life.

I actually support the right to choose, mainly because it could potentially endanger a mother's life, and because the fetus hasn't developed senses, so it isn't like killing an infant that can feel pain, and has experienced life.
I'm also pro-choice, they have a right to that decision and I respect that. Biologically, medically and circumstantially I can see how it can be problematic. It's a different issue setting in stone the kid's future mentalities and its conclusions they may develop, and halting it for that reason. I'm not exactly against it, just unconvinced.

It also doesn't seem much different from saying "My parents were abusive, I should have been aborted."
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Yeah, there's a lot of that. "The child could become an important scientist", which is true, but the mother could also die, or the kid could be put into a home where the dad abuses it, and they spend the rest of their life getting "revenge" on their father by killing innocent people. There's a bunch of theoretical stuff you can get into at that point, and some of it being more thought out than "the child could become an important scientist".
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On the other side of the coin, the fetus doesn't have senses, so it would never even know the concept of existence,
Right, and those who understand "the concept of existence" i.e. doctors should endeavor to save life not abort it.
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