John Wilkes Booth

I've been avoiding using the term 'assault weapon'. I use the AR-15 as an example of the type of gun I mean. I'm not saying to just specifically ban AR-15s.

edit - Maybe if there's no way to work out a coherent definition on which guns should be banned, it should be taken more on a case-by-case basis. I'm not demonizing it just for the fact that it's efficient and dangerous. Hand guns are arguably more deadly. For me the relevant factor that makes banning it seem like a good idea is that it's extremely useful for crime and not really useful for much else. Another example would be tear gas grenades. Are they inherently more dangerous than other legal weapons? No. But they're basically only useful in a combat situation. Which makes them both dangerous and virtually useless for legitimate purposes. Which in my view makes them a good item to ban.

Dr_Rez

But a combat situation is exactly what you want them for.....

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butthead aka 216

lord lare ive never shot anyone and the thought is that i will never have to but the fact that if needed, i can shoot someone, is worth owning a gun to me. i believe in the right to self protection and defendin myself and my property. most ppl who want guns banned are lefty art student grads livin in a rich new hampshire suburb. lol thats how i view them anyway


of course there are irresponsible gun owners, there are irresponsible people everywhere. irresponsible drivers, parents, teachers, employees, etc. mistakes happen.

my neighbor was robbed 2 weeks ago albeit by someone he knew. his door is literally less than 5 feet from me. if that intruder were to break into my apartment he would be met with my gun lookin him in the face. thats one reason i own a gun, incase some wacko thinks its ok to take things that belong to me and possibly harm or kill me. kinda like what i was sayin with urban hatemonger, it would be dumb of me to assume the best case scenario for someone who just broke into my crib. if hes willin to do that, there is no reason for me to assume he wouldnt do somethin more sinister. even if that chance was 1 percent, why take that risk?? my life is valuable to me

djchameleon

The radical righties need to realize that gun control isn't about banning guns or taking guns away from anyone. Hand guns and even shot guns are fine but why do you need easy access to military grade weaponry and why the fuck do you need to stockpile so many of them. Even if a militia was to form to attempt to stand up against the government it would fail horrible. They would just send a drone over your house and blow your whole stockpile up.

Assault Rifles aren't needed and they should be more restricted than they currently are along with some other types of weapons.

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Dr_Rez

Noone is asking to own assualt rifles and noone does own assualt rifles.

Assault rifle is an automatic military grade rifle. What everyone has is a regular semi automatic rifle that works no different than any other gun but it called an assault rifle by the media because of scary looking furniture put on it.

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John Wilkes Booth

Why not, though? They'd come in handy when it's time to overthrow the govt.

Dr_Rez

Well if we are going to be serious about it they technically are legal...You just have to jump through hoops and get licenses and pay fee;s to own them. I dont see anything wrong with that.

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Lord Larehip

I've been saying for how many posts now that you will know the person who kills you? You all keep saying I'm talking out my ass despite posting a source for every single point I've made--none of which you've read, of course--and yet somehow I'm the one who is ignoring facts.

Virtually every crime that will be committed against you in your lifetime will be by someone who knew you. While a thief could break into your home at random, in all likelihood, it's someone who has been in your house or it's a stranger acting on information he got from someone who has been in your house.

Keeping a gun in the home carries a murder risk 2.7 times greater than not keeping one, according to a study by Arthur Kellermann. The National Rifle Association has fiercely attacked this study, but it remains valid despite its criticisms. The study found that people are 21 times more likely to be killed by someone they know than a stranger breaking into the house. Half of the murders were over arguments or romantic triangles. The study also found that the increased murder rate in gun-owning households was entirely due to an increase in gun homicides only, not any other murder method. It further found that gun-owning households saw an increased murder risk by family or intimate acquaintances, not by strangers or non-intimate acquaintances. The most straightforward explanation is that the presence of a gun increases the possibility that a normal family fight or drinking binge will become deadly. No other explanation fits the above facts.

A gun in the home increases personal safety

Women are raped by strangers a lot, sure, but most are raped by people they knew. According to the link below, 2/3 of the women who are raped knew their rapist. Women have more justification to be armed than men because they are overwhelmingly the victims of sexual assault but even then it wouldn't do them much good. Odds are, they will be raped by someone they know and trust or will be drugged and completely helpless. Children are virtually always molested by people they know and often by people they are related to.

The Offenders | RAINN | Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network

This is why arming ourselves to the teeth hasn't rid us of a huge murder rate in this country--we're so worried about being killed by a stranger (and that murder rate has actually dropped) but being armed INCREASES your chances of being killed by a family member, close friend or your own stupid fumbly fingers which is exactly what comprises the vast majority of gun homicides in this country. The stats don't lie which is why you won't look at them.

Yes. If you live in a gang and drug infested ghetto, then, yes, you probably need to arm yourself even though it won't significantly raise your chances of not getting killed but since you stand a better chance of getting killed by a stranger in bad area you may as well do what you can. But outside of a ghetto, you stand very little chance of being killed by a stranger. The Uniform Crime Report compiled by the FBI states that taken altogether, the average American has a 0.000054 chance of being murdered per year. In an average lifetime, about a 0.00378 chance. Based on a population of 300 million people, you stand a 1 in 1.134 million chance of being murdered in your lifetime.

To illustrate this, suppose I laid out 1.134 million dollar bills end to end. how far would the chain stretch? A dollar bill measures about 6 and 3/16 inches in length so a chain of 1.134 million would stretch about 108 miles. Now my proposal to you is that one of those dollar bills has a stamp on it that says "WINNER!" If you pick that dollar bill, you win all of them. So now you have to decide where along that 108-mile stretch you want to stop and snatch up a dollar bill. What are the odds that you will pick the one that has "WINNER!" stamped on it? THAT is your odds of being murdered in this country and then if we lay the condition of being murdered by a stranger only, the odds are increased by at least 3 times that--IOW 3.2 million dollar bills laid out over a 325-mile stretch. So even with the horrible, crime-ridden areas we have in this nation, you stand an exceedingly small chance of needing a gun for defense in most areas of the nation. The amount of guns available simply can't be justified by the tiny odds of being murdered by a stranger, it only increases your odds of being murdered under the usual condition--by someone you know.

One time my ship was off the coast of Puerto Rico and we fired a missile at a derelict ship anchored off the coast of Africa. We hit it dead on. THAT is how accurate an ordinary missile is. So if a ship fires a missile at your little safehouse and you're 500 miles inland, say your prayers. And all your little AR15s are useless. Then there is all the air power they can rain down on you. Satellites that will track your every move. You have no chance. Knock off with this fighting tyranny stuff. Not only will lose a fight with the govt forces, you don't want an assault rifle for that reason--you want one because you want one. Just admit it. But stop handing people this tyranny s-hit.

butthead aka 216

rez address you several posts ago.... no **** crimes are often committed by people you know, i dont think anyone is disputing that or sayin otherwise are they?? there is also no telling how many burglaries/murders just owning a a gun has prevented. 'hmmm should i rob 216 who i know keeps a gun on his nightstand?' and im not sure what is even relevant about those stats - if my life was put in jeopardy by someone i know, i would still pull my gun


im reading your stats and i think most people agree: it is unlikely i will be murdered or even have to use my gun. but in the unlikely event that i do have to defend myself, i will be able to. you will not be able to. the point of having a gun is to improve chances of preserving the things most valuable to us, aka our lives.

you missed the point on commenting about the country being so large. my point was that the government would have to bomb an insanely large area. of course my ar-15 wouldnt do anythin vs an air raid lol. again, not the point. when it comes to death i would like a chance to determine my own fate. if you dont go down fighting vs someone then you are a coward, plain and simple


also to say i didnt look at your stats is party true becuase the first one you laid out was very misleading and i stand by what i said about that stat even tho you repeated it again i believe. so lets say goin by stats there is a better chance of me shootin myself than an intruder or someone puttin my life in danger. you might ask, why own a gun then????? why?? because i trust myself to be a responsible gun owner. the stat about inuring myself or a family member is totally dependent on someone bein irresponsible in individual cases. if you are responsible then there is no problem and you are at 0% risk for that stat

Dr_Rez

Lord Larhip I really dont know what kind of utopian dream neighborhood you live in that you need to be in the middle of a gang war to get shot mugged and beaten....


All this talk and you havnt said what would you do about this? What laws would you put in place and what would you ban?

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