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View Poll Results: How do you plead?
I'm a parent 11 17.74%
I'm a child-free woman/man 24 38.71%
I want to have kids someday (please explain) 18 29.03%
I'm undecided 9 14.52%
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Old 11-24-2013, 01:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Wow, this is the first I've heard of this. That sounds like a really bizarre philosophy to me. Being alive is a gift if you are born into the right circumstances. Suffering is the price you have to pay for receiving that gift.
So what about the people who aren't born into the right circumstances? Is suffering the price they pay for being born into ****ty circumstances?

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Old 11-24-2013, 02:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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So what about the people who aren't born into the right circumstances? Is suffering the price they pay for being born into ****ty circumstances?

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Not what I was saying. If you can provide the right circumstances then the positives of life are well worth the suffering.
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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So what about the people who aren't born into the right circumstances? Is suffering the price they pay for being born into ****ty circumstances?

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Yes but many people have shocking and abhorrent upbringings and make a good life for themselves. At the end of the day, people will always bring children into the world, in less than ideal circumstances.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Tl;dr - It really all boils down to simply this: Life is suffering. To impose life on a being is to impose suffering. Therefore, imposing life in an immoral action.
Are you a Buddhist? Buddha thought life was suffering and, though I love him to bits, I don't believe life is suffering. Life is frequently painful for all of us, and, for various reasons, almost always painful for some. But suffering is optional.
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Old 11-24-2013, 09:49 AM   #5 (permalink)
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It's kind of funny how the OP starts out with this thread to combat all the hatred that she gets from other people about her decision to be child-free.

Then some child free nazis join the thread to make people that want children feel like they are being selfish for their decision.

When everyone should be more open to letting people decide what they want to do with their own life whether it be to have children or to live a child free life.
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Old 11-24-2013, 02:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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It's kind of funny how the OP starts out with this thread to combat all the hatred that she gets from other people about her decision to be child-free.

Then some child free nazis join the thread to make people that want children feel like they are being selfish for their decision.

When everyone should be more open to letting people decide what they want to do with their own life whether it be to have children or to live a child free life.
What child free nazis?
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Having raised two girls, I would say DON'T have kids unless it is absolutely what you want to do. DON'T have them because all your friends have them or some stupid s-hit like that. It doesn't work that way. When they're born, they yell and scream and whine at all hours of the day and night. They piss and s-hit whenever and wherever they feel like it--it's horrible. The fu-ck s-hit up like drawing on the wallpaper with magic marker and s-hit like that. They make a lot of noise and you actually prefer that to them being quiet because when they're quiet you'd better go find what they're f-ucking up to because they are up to something. Kids are never quiet unless they're up to something.

Then there's the fighting and arguing which they do with each other endlessly. But once the hit their teens, then it's you they fight and argue with endlessly. And if you think they were rotten as young kids, you just wait until they hit their teens!!

By the time they start to turn into adults and start to become the fine human beings you raised them to be and start being people you really do want to spend time with, they're 18 and they up and beat it on you--off to college, off to work, gotta get their own place and all that s-hit--and you rarely see them anymore.

And before you can say, "So that's it?" That's it.
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havin a vasectomy that young sounds really dumb to me
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havin a vasectomy that young sounds really dumb to me
I don't think so. Unless he's lying about a number of things, it seems like a reasonable thing to do if you're in a child-free lifelong relationship.
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
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havin a vasectomy that young sounds really dumb to me
Exactly. I don't want kids, but I don't need to have a vasectomy to prove that. That's just extreme, imo.
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