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Akai 04-19-2018 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1942279)
I voted anal beads but you'd probably consider me a commie.
Only if you complained about capitalism after purchasing said anal beads.

The Batlord 04-19-2018 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Akai (Post 1942276)
Ghay, I must know who the commies are m8.
Commie at heart YOLO by trade.

MicShazam 04-19-2018 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1942355)
I hate framing things as "pro gov" or "anti gov"

it's about being pro worker or pro elites, pro democracy or pro oligarchy

it matters that the gov serves our interests not simply if there's less or more of it
Yeah, pretty much. It's an oversimplification for sure. You can govern a nation in a million ways, so it's not just a question of "how much". I feel like people are a bit too willing to reduce everything down to a binary. Not on this forum - just in general when you see people talk about politics, ethics or morals.

DwnWthVwls 04-19-2018 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1942355)
I hate framing things as "pro gov" or "anti gov"

it's about being pro worker or pro elites, pro democracy or pro oligarchy

it matters that the gov serves our interests not simply if there's less or more of it
If the government is not going to serve my interests, than I'd rather there be less of it. Just sayin...

Frownland 04-19-2018 10:32 PM
Less openings for corruption.

DwnWthVwls 04-20-2018 03:55 AM
Corporations run the government though.

Frownland 04-20-2018 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1942561)
more openings for corporate domination
Can't forget more openings for corporate domination.

Frownland 04-20-2018 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1942643)
and what they want is less government oversight or ineffectual government oversight

ie Scott Pruitt as the head of the EPA
Therefore make the government bigger?

Frownland 04-20-2018 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1942652)
more private accountability to the public in some areas, less in others

a downsizing of the government is not inherently a positive thing, indeed it's often a symptom of corruption
Hmm

DwnWthVwls 04-20-2018 01:44 PM
Whenever I say people need to be more accountable for themselves I get looked down on.. but you can say it about the establishment and it's okay. This seems unfair.

If everyone was accountable and held others accountable we'd hardly need a government. :D


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