Racism vs. Classism

Carpe Mortem · 05-08-2014, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

You can't help but mock people who were raped, lynched, hung, and beaten?

You think it is "funny" that millions of innocent people were murdered because of the color of their skin?

Yes, death amuses me. Better than getting sad about it. Especially since it happened so long ago, I mean **** if I concerned myself with how many hebrew bloodlines were eliminated.... not a single man lynched, a ****in bloodline, a family, ELIMINATED.... during the holocaust, I'd never crack a smile.

Again, I do not think the past is relevant to today's issues, and I do not think race issues are relevant to class issues. Any correlation is likely caused by demographics of a given area.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 05-08-2014, 08:37 PM

I just can't take anyone seriously who speaks of privilege

music_phantom13 · 05-08-2014, 09:25 PM

Hmm well despite the fact that I'll probably get sucked into this argument I'd like to post based solely on my personal experiences, nothing I've learned or history or anything.

A bit of background on me: I grew up in rich white suburbia. I developed a major drug problem, and when I hit my lowest point I stayed with a friend in a rough part of DC for a few weeks cuz it was the only place I could find my fix at the time.

Racism is alive and well. The whole political correctness thing is a major issue these days, so you'll only see the occasional jackass who will be blatantly outright racist. What is a problem is stereotyping. I know that my parents, and all of our neighbors, were in general very stereotypical. There were a few black families in my neighborhood and they fit in fine. But if it was, say, a black stranger walking down the street, it seemed to set off warning bells in the adults when I was a kid. They seemed to assume they didn't belong there. I realized when I was in middle school or so what they were all doing, I never really got it. But there was definitely blatant stereotyping, from I would say the vast majority of adults there.

It wasn't any different in DC. I used to try very hard to look clean. I was actually stopped by cops walking home from work several times who asked me if I was lost and offered to give me a ride out of "a place I didn't belong." Meanwhile, I met some people there that were single parents working 2 full time+ jobs trying to give their kids a better life that were harassed by the same cops. Ironic, I was the junkie and a few of them were probably the best people I've ever met.

I've had the same problem in Pittsburgh and it's bull**** - I live in a fairly nice, mostly white neighborhood and a couple blocks up it becomes much lower income. A friend of mine from school lives up there, he's taking classes and going through the police academy but he dresses pretty hood so when he's walking down my street I see some people, not too many luckily, walk over to their kids or cross to the other side of the street despite the fact that he greets every single person he passes with a polite greeting. Meanwhile I've never noticed anyone to shy away from me.

So from my experience, it's definitely not gone away, people just keep it hidden more.

Also on the previous comment about rap music, I find it funny that people don't know where their music comes from. Hip hop largely started in NYC as a block party type things to show off big sound systems and music, parties with no drinking allowed to keep kids away from that ****. Even more ironic, coming from the military, is that I met people that considered most Arabic and Muslim people to be terrorists but that enjoyed listening to stuff like ATCQ. Stupid hypocrites.

Necromancer · 05-09-2014, 03:20 AM

Racism seems to be at an all time low here in the United States. Not suggesting that it doesn't still exist in society, but why rock the boat with race merchandising.

Black Francis · 05-09-2014, 01:55 PM

Im glad we don't have racism here in Puerto Rico, i mean we have some racist ppl but very few of them.

One weird thing i noticed here on some black ppl is how some of them are racist towards their own kind
Growing up i knew a black kid who would make fun of another black kid because he was darker than him.

I still remember the other kid saying to him he was black too and him saying "Yea but you're darker"

they do this with good hair too it's kinda strange.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 05-09-2014, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

Im glad we don't have racism here in Puerto Rico, i mean we have some racist ppl but very few of them.

One weird thing i noticed here on some black ppl is how some of them are racist towards their own kind
Growing up i knew a black kid who would make fun of another black kid because he was darker than him.

I still remember the other kid saying to him he was black too and him saying "Yea but you're darker"

they do this with good hair too it's kinda strange.

This thread is a ****ing mess

Neapolitan · 05-09-2014, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

I just can't take anyone seriously who speaks of privilege

You have the privilege of having your own opinion, and they have the privilege of having theirs.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 05-10-2014, 02:50 PM

Dat priv

05-08-2014, 09:25 PM	#43 (permalink)
music_phantom13 Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 942	Hmm well despite the fact that I'll probably get sucked into this argument I'd like to post based solely on my personal experiences, nothing I've learned or history or anything. A bit of background on me: I grew up in rich white suburbia. I developed a major drug problem, and when I hit my lowest point I stayed with a friend in a rough part of DC for a few weeks cuz it was the only place I could find my fix at the time. Racism is alive and well. The whole political correctness thing is a major issue these days, so you'll only see the occasional jackass who will be blatantly outright racist. What is a problem is stereotyping. I know that my parents, and all of our neighbors, were in general very stereotypical. There were a few black families in my neighborhood and they fit in fine. But if it was, say, a black stranger walking down the street, it seemed to set off warning bells in the adults when I was a kid. They seemed to assume they didn't belong there. I realized when I was in middle school or so what they were all doing, I never really got it. But there was definitely blatant stereotyping, from I would say the vast majority of adults there. It wasn't any different in DC. I used to try very hard to look clean. I was actually stopped by cops walking home from work several times who asked me if I was lost and offered to give me a ride out of "a place I didn't belong." Meanwhile, I met some people there that were single parents working 2 full time+ jobs trying to give their kids a better life that were harassed by the same cops. Ironic, I was the junkie and a few of them were probably the best people I've ever met. I've had the same problem in Pittsburgh and it's bull** - I live in a fairly nice, mostly white neighborhood and a couple blocks up it becomes much lower income. A friend of mine from school lives up there, he's taking classes and going through the police academy but he dresses pretty hood so when he's walking down my street I see some people, not too many luckily, walk over to their kids or cross to the other side of the street despite the fact that he greets every single person he passes with a polite greeting. Meanwhile I've never noticed anyone to shy away from me. So from my experience, it's definitely not gone away, people just keep it hidden more. Also on the previous comment about rap music, I find it funny that people don't know where their music comes from. Hip hop largely started in NYC as a block party type things to show off big sound systems and music, parties with no drinking allowed to keep kids away from that *. Even more ironic, coming from the military, is that I met people that considered most Arabic and Muslim people to be terrorists but that enjoyed listening to stuff like ATCQ. Stupid hypocrites. Last edited by music_phantom13; 05-08-2014 at 09:31 PM.*

05-09-2014, 01:55 PM	#45 (permalink)
Black Francis Out of Place Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in an abstract house Posts: 4,111	Im glad we don't have racism here in Puerto Rico, i mean we have some racist ppl but very few of them. One weird thing i noticed here on some black ppl is how some of them are racist towards their own kind Growing up i knew a black kid who would make fun of another black kid because he was darker than him. I still remember the other kid saying to him he was black too and him saying "Yea but you're darker" they do this with good hair too it's kinda strange. __________________ "Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A

05-08-2014, 08:37 PM	#42 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	I just can't take anyone seriously who speaks of privilege

05-09-2014, 03:20 AM	#44 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	Racism seems to be at an all time low here in the United States. Not suggesting that it doesn't still exist in society, but why rock the boat with race merchandising.

05-10-2014, 02:50 PM	#48 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	Dat priv