The French Massacre - Do We Stand Up For Free Speech?

Neapolitan · 01-10-2015, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

The religion of peace:

Saudi blogger receives first 50 lashes of sentence for 'insulting Islam' | World news | The Guardian

There is a website that is actually called "the religion of peace."

It carries like articles
Stop Pretending Terrorism Has Nothing To Do With Islam

note the title is by David Harsanyi, it would probably help him if he used a quantifier like "sect of" or "Wahhabism."

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 01-10-2015, 01:46 PM

As Bill Maher said last night, "With this many bad apples, something's wrong with the orchard."

Chula Vista · 01-10-2015, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Larehip

As Bill Maher said last night, "With this many bad apples, something's wrong with the orchard."

Perfect and spot on. We're ultimately doomed if we can't get it even close to right after all of this time.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people are so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

OccultHawk · 01-10-2015, 02:22 PM

Well I walked outside with a group of people and we all carried candles.

That'll learn em.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 01-10-2015, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

America is pretty much identical to the Roman Republic. The rich get richer, and if you upset them they can very easily make you disappear. I'm not saying that justice is for hire, but the rich and powerful definitely have enough pull to get away with most anything they want. But people in Ancient Rome were technically protected by the law to be able to say what they wanted to say, except in cases of treason (which is still something you can be accused of in America, though it isn't often) and slander/libel.

As for sources, this is a good article that goes into the history of "Freedom of Speech" in different countries: 2. Free speech in history |
Greco-Roman freedoms were by no means perfect and always protected, but the ideal was there.

fair enough, i honestly knew that democracy had its roots in greece and rome but i never thought much about freedom of speech. but i think we got a bit sidetracked from my initial point which was that free speech is hardly a universal value and if anything hasn't been the norm in most societies. and probably isn't in a lot of modern societies... i also come at this with the interpretation that even genuinely protecting free speech in the united states is fairly recent. even if it was written into the constitution. dissident speech could land you in prison during ww1. i think the level of free speech we have in unite states today is beyond that of ancient rome, greece and even the previous united states. so i really do think we're treading into new territory here

Chula Vista · 01-11-2015, 07:54 AM

French police have been told to erase their presence on social media and to carry their weapons at all times. Authorities have received word that additional terror cells have activated.

Source: Terror cells activated in France - CNN.com

OccultHawk · 01-11-2015, 08:20 AM

Red Alert Green Alert Orange Alert

Every color of Fruit Loops alert!

Psy-Fi · 01-11-2015, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

No-one in this thread has said otherwise.

Nor did I accuse anyone in this thread of saying otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

The above is just romantic dawdling that is usually very good in theory, but in reality needs refinement before it's put into practice, because globalisation and means of travel has made the world a much smaller place, thus creating a greater furnace for world problems. It's all good and well speaking out against tyranny and restriction in a civilised society which has the means to address these issues, taking that practice overseas and into a different cultural environment is a far trickier and more dangerous thing to achieve, as facts have proved.

I think what just happened in France, proves that it can often be just as dangerous to speak out in a civilized society as it can be in a different cultural environment. And for the record, I did mention people speaking out in other parts of the world in my post.

Chula Vista · 01-11-2015, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi

Nor did I accuse anyone in this thread of saying otherwise.

Apologies. I thought you were implying that someone was since you brought it up (or echoed Vanilla's sentiments).

Re: Victim Blaming - Trayvon Martin anyone?

Seems Little Georgie's got himself into a bit of trouble. Again.

George Zimmerman arrested on suspected domestic violence - CNN.com

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 01-12-2015, 02:46 AM

****, i will be straight up and say i think you're guilty of shifting the blame away from the murderers by going on about how you think the magazine should have been smarter and should have either shut up or armed themselves etc. basically what it boils down to, to me, is certain extremists have made it clear that if you attack islam with words and drawings they will attack you back with bullets and bombs. by saying we should be smart and not 'poke the bear' or that if we do we should have some sort of bear-proof vest on when poking it, you're basically caving in and giving them exactly what they want. you're making their violence useful and in that way you're actually encouraging them to continue to be violent. the only appropriate response to me when **** like this goes down is to stand your ground. any response other than a middle finger to bearded thugs world wide is honestly cowardice and treason to me.

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	French police have been told to erase their presence on social media and to carry their weapons at all times. Authorities have received word that additional terror cells have activated. Source: Terror cells activated in France - CNN.com __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

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~~Lord Larehip~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 899	As Bill Maher said last night, "With this many bad apples, something's wrong with the orchard."

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01-12-2015, 02:46 AM	#210 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	**, i will be straight up and say i think you're guilty of shifting the blame away from the murderers by going on about how you think the magazine should have been smarter and should have either shut up or armed themselves etc. basically what it boils down to, to me, is certain extremists have made it clear that if you attack islam with words and drawings they will attack you back with bullets and bombs. by saying we should be smart and not 'poke the bear' or that if we do we should have some sort of bear-proof vest on when poking it, you're basically caving in and giving them exactly what they want. you're making their violence useful and in that way you're actually encouraging them to continue to be violent. the only appropriate response to me when ** like this goes down is to stand your ground. any response other than a middle finger to bearded thugs world wide is honestly cowardice and treason to me.