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Pet_Sounds 01-07-2015 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon (Post 1534779)
If someone told me to stop doing something or they would kill me I would absolutely keep doing that thing, and that does not make me the insane one.

:clap:

When the (unarmed) ceremonial guard at our war memorial was attacked last year, we took the guard down for a day or two. I felt that was a huge victory for the terrorists.

Interesting parallel to The Interview here, eh?

Chula Vista 01-07-2015 08:47 PM

This is a very specific situation and I think trying to generalize it doesn't work.

Magazine does something strictly forbidden by Islamic law.
Angers Muslims all over the world.
Also angers some insane extremists with a cell close to the magazine.
Magazine keeps posting pictures that get more and more crude.
Worldwide anger persists, since again, what they are doing is against Islamic law.
Insane extremists (with a long history of brazen violence) warn them to stop.
Magazine ignores the threat.
Magazine is warned again and ignores the threat.
Today happens.

Is anyone surprised?

One of the shooters has surrendered. I hope they catch the other two soon and that all three of them rot in jail cells.

But I'm maintaining that the magazine editor might have used better judgment considering who he was dealing with and the fact that they were right in his back yard.

Neapolitan 01-07-2015 08:59 PM

Hearing about terrorists killing 12 people in Paris was unsettling. It wasn't too long ago where there was a killing rampage at a Pakistani school.

In Pakistan school attack, Taliban terrorists kill 145, mostly children - CNN.com

Taliban Besiege Pakistan School, Leaving 145 Dead

DeadChannel 01-07-2015 09:00 PM

Chula:
On one hand, I see where you're coming from w/ the "they should've seen it coming" stuff. And, maybe from a purely self preservation point of view, it was stupid to continue publishing.

However, I think continuing was the right thing to do even though it ended so bloodily. Censorship is something that cannot be allowed to happen coming from any group.

What happend was ****ed up, but I hate the idea of stuff not being published for fear of something like this happening. Self censoring due to fear is still censorship on the part of the party causing fear.

Wpnfire 01-07-2015 10:17 PM

^ I think Chula means that common sense would tell you that ****ting on Islam under any tense is going to rile some people and probably get a group of extremists banging on your door. You are of course entitled to release whatever you want so do not think I am saying otherwise, (and I really, REALLY hate to **** on the dead) but someone like the editor should have said, "Hey I know I said **** those guys, but I think we need to invest in a triple locks for our doors, barricades for the windows, removing our business from the phone book, and maybe if a few of you could get a gun license and start carrying a loaded .44 at all times, we'd be better off."

This isn't the stone age guys, people can look up your address on the internet, plan to meet somewhere on facebook, rent a car or some ****, and drive to your business and kill you, all in less than a day's time and without ever alerting the police. Like I said, I really hate to speak ill of the dead, but really, this could have ended better than it did.

Frownland 01-07-2015 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wpnfire (Post 1534879)
^ I think Chula means that common sense would tell you that ****ting on Islam under any tense is going to rile some people and probably get a group of extremists banging on your door. You are of course entitled to release whatever you want so do not think I am saying otherwise, (and I really, REALLY hate to **** on the dead) but someone like the editor should have said, "Hey I know I said **** those guys, but I think we need to invest in a triple locks for our doors, barricades for the windows, removing our business from the phone book, and maybe if a few of you could get a gun license and start carrying a loaded .44 at all times, we'd be better off."

This isn't the stone age guys, people can look up your address on the internet, plan to meet somewhere on facebook, rent a car or some ****, and drive to your business and kill you, all in less than a day's time and without ever alerting the police. Like I said, I really hate to speak ill of the dead, but really, this could have ended better than it did.

On that Monday-morning quarterback ****e, I dig it.

GuD 01-07-2015 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1534814)
This is a very specific situation and I think trying to generalize it doesn't work.

Magazine does something strictly forbidden by Islamic law.
Angers Muslims all over the world.
Also angers some insane extremists with a cell close to the magazine.
Magazine keeps posting pictures that get more and more crude.
Worldwide anger persists, since again, what they are doing is against Islamic law.
Insane extremists (with a long history of brazen violence) warn them to stop.
Magazine ignores the threat.
Magazine is warned again and ignores the threat.
Today happens.

Is anyone surprised?

One of the shooters has surrendered. I hope they catch the other two soon and that all three of them rot in jail cells.

But I'm maintaining that the magazine editor might have used better judgment considering who he was dealing with and the fact that they were right in his back yard.

I see your point but at the same time complying with what's basically terrorism is surrendering to it. They have as much right to be against depictions of Muhommad as I have to depict Muhommad. I feel like this is one of those things where if you're against it, don't do it. Like drugs or something.

DeadChannel 01-07-2015 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wpnfire (Post 1534879)
^ I think Chula means that common sense would tell you that ****ting on Islam under any tense is going to rile some people and probably get a group of extremists banging on your door. You are of course entitled to release whatever you want so do not think I am saying otherwise, (and I really, REALLY hate to **** on the dead) but someone like the editor should have said, "Hey I know I said **** those guys, but I think we need to invest in a triple locks for our doors, barricades for the windows, removing our business from the phone book, and maybe if a few of you could get a gun license and start carrying a loaded .44 at all times, we'd be better off."

This isn't the stone age guys, people can look up your address on the internet, plan to meet somewhere on facebook, rent a car or some ****, and drive to your business and kill you, all in less than a day's time and without ever alerting the police. Like I said, I really hate to speak ill of the dead, but really, this could have ended better than it did.

Well, okay, I can see how it would be sensible to take precautions against something happening. Agree w/ you there.

Ninetales 01-07-2015 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon (Post 1534779)
If someone told me to stop doing something or they would kill me I would absolutely keep doing that thing, and that does not make me the insane one.

err not sure I agree with this. its just using someone's distaste (extreme distaste in this case) as a justification for doing something potentially dickish or dumb. like how a child will swear more if his/her mother tells them to stop. im just talking generally, not about this terrorist attack specifically. that cartoon publication seems like an "edgy tween" type deal, but obviously no one deserved to be murdered.

Scarlett O'Hara 01-08-2015 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wpnfire (Post 1534879)
^ I think Chula means that common sense would tell you that ****ting on Islam under any tense is going to rile some people and probably get a group of extremists banging on your door. You are of course entitled to release whatever you want so do not think I am saying otherwise, (and I really, REALLY hate to **** on the dead) but someone like the editor should have said, "Hey I know I said **** those guys, but I think we need to invest in a triple locks for our doors, barricades for the windows, removing our business from the phone book, and maybe if a few of you could get a gun license and start carrying a loaded .44 at all times, we'd be better off."

This isn't the stone age guys, people can look up your address on the internet, plan to meet somewhere on facebook, rent a car or some ****, and drive to your business and kill you, all in less than a day's time and without ever alerting the police. Like I said, I really hate to speak ill of the dead, but really, this could have ended better than it did.

They made fun of all religions, especially Christianity. You don't see enraged Christians laying out revenge plans and murdering those making fun of the religion? People mock Jesus all the time. That's perfectly fine for the majority, but as soon as it's a religion we don't understand well it's a crime to insult their prophet? Because they are violent, ill tempered haters? Where is the peace that religion talks about? What is the point in following a religion if you're going to use it as a way to get off being violent or murdering someone under its's name?


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