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Originally Posted by Ninetales (Post 1535117)

Yeah and I get why a murder threat shouldn't be the sole deterrent from doing or saying something. But reflection after criticism is usually a good thing.

Absolutely. But criticism is not equivalent to blatantly threatening offensive behavior. I'm not going to pretend I know the ins and outs of this situation, just that it's tragic. I'm generalizing.

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon (Post 1535122)

Absolutely. But criticism is not equivalent to blatantly threatening offensive behavior. I'm not going to pretend I know the ins and outs of this situation, just that it's tragic. I'm generalizing.

oh ya im not condoning death threats or anything. Really it's a super immature form of criticism, but still I would seriously think about why im getting these threats rather than just shrugging it off as notoriety (as I say this tho, im guessing death threats really aren't uncommon in the news industry so maybe shrugging it off is the best method idk)

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Originally Posted by Ninetales (Post 1535130)

(as I say this tho, im guessing death threats really aren't uncommon in the news industry so maybe shrugging it off is the best method idk)

Not when dealing with Islamic terrorists.

^^^^

From 2:10 to 2:26.

Anything that man says is going to fly right over the heads of the small minorities that act out the violence or applaud the violence.

But I respect what he's been through and the way he's decided to try and help the problem.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1535161)

Yeah Maajid is excellent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9hgUc0t9r0

He kicked Mo's head in here.

This is a interesting take:

In the Wake of Charlie Hebdo, Free Speech Does Not Mean Freedom From Criticism « The Hooded Utilitarian

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When faced with a terrorist attack against a satirical newspaper, the appropriate response seems obvious. Don’t let the victims be silenced. Spread their work as far as it can possibly go. Laugh in the face of those savage murderers who don’t understand satire.

In this case, it is the wrong response.

Here’s what’s difficult to parse in the face of tragedy: yes, Charlie Hebdo is a French satirical newspaper. Its staff is white. Its cartoons often represent a certain, virulently racist brand of French xenophobia. While they generously claim to ‘attack everyone equally,’ the cartoons they publish are intentionally anti-Islam, and frequently sexist and homophobic.

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In summary:

Nobody should have been killed over those cartoons.

F*ck those cartoons.

This sums it up pretty spot on. And from The Catholic League no less.

MUSLIMS ARE RIGHT TO BE ANGRY - Catholic League

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“Liberty may be endangered by the abuses of liberty as well as the abuses of power.”

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1535352)

This sums it up pretty spot on. And from The Catholic League no less.

MUSLIMS ARE RIGHT TO BE ANGRY - Catholic League

I don't know everything that Charlie Hebdo printed but some of the things that I heard were objectionable were things like a drawing of the leader of ISIS saying something like "Have a healthy new year."

I can't totally agree with Bill Donohue, because what I don't see is muslims angry at the taken of innocent life during terrorist attacks. Bill Donohue said "Stephane Charbonnier, the paper’s publisher, was killed today in the slaughter. It is too bad that he didn’t understand the role he played in his tragic death." But there are thousands of people who die at the hands of terrorist who have absolutely no role in their death. For no reason to any rational human being. They are deemed as infidels or heretics or fall victims of revenge killings and where is the outrage? I don't know if how press handles things but it seems the outrage is over bad jokes and caricatures not human life.

If Bill Donohue wants to implicate Stephane Charbonnier in his own death than maybe he should implicate hypocrites and terrorist that drive people like Charbonnier to loose respect for religion altogether. Who knows maybe Stephane Charbonnier might have done things differently in his life if his view of religion wasn't tainted by those hypocrites and terrorists.

I've seen today that people have been bombing and smashing up Muslim Mosques and shops (one was a kebab place), and the comments in the article were supportive of the hate and backlash towards the innocent Muslim people trying to live their life in peace. In Germany they are carrying out anti-Muslim protests. It's so not necessary. I've read a lot of comment sections in different news websites and there is serious anger and hatred towards Muslims.