Chula Vista

Spanish inquisition?

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The Batlord

I wasn't expecting that.

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Cuthbert

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Agree with all of that.

Frownland

Where exactly is the tipping point where the new market (refugees) becomes too large to be a benefit to the economy (or vice versa)? In the end it might just be a non-issue since these people will be spending money as well. Someone who's done or is dedicated enough to do my research for me is free to help out here.

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William_the_Bloody

I think the tipping point would be when the immigrant communities within a nation have grown so large that you have large groups of people who have not been properly assimulated...

and as consequence, are easily susceptible to an ideology that tells them to blow away their fellow citizens with a Kalashnikov.

There are literally little microcosm communities of Iraq and Syria within France & Belgium, to the point that the Belgium government admitted it doesn't have control over certain neighborhoods in their country. (basically a nation within a nation)

As for North America, when you think that the US admits 1 million immigrants each year, 10,000 Syrian refugees is a drop in the bucket, the chances of them not becoming assimulated to American culture is slim to none.

As long as all the security screening is done to the fullest extent it should be all good, geopolitically it will make the US look benevolent in the eyes of the Arab world when you consider that the gulf states are taking in 0 refugees!

Frownland

You have quite a liberal definition of the economy.

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William_the_Bloody

Lol, well yes, the post allowed me an excuse to vent again.

Basically Europe should be saying no, and North America and the Gulf States should be saying yes.

Amendment: Europe should be saying no to the colossal numbers invited by Ms. Merkel, not no to all of them.

Nameless

Anyone who tries to answer you is wrong. In theory it is a short term investment in all the social assistance programs they will need that will pay off in the long run with them spending and being taxed, but you have to take too many other factors into account to answer that question. I mean, it would take the immigrants being a huge enough drain to make the countries default multiple times so they can't borrow as cheaply just for starters.

The sad truth is, though, that a lot of these countries overfunded their social safety nets relative to what they actually have to work with, so it's a more real possibility that this could hurt them than it should be. The answer is always "rise taxes on the wealthy" but in the last 5 years I think it's been made pretty apparent that there is a point where those rich people say **** this and move to another country.

But it'll probably be fine eventually.

DwnWthVwls

Is this any different from high crime inner-city areas?

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William_the_Bloody

I have no idea if the crime rates in these areas are higher than the rest of France or Belgium.

The issue for me is the policy of multiculturalism that advocates for mass immigration without proper assimilation to western values.

As consequence of this, you now have a growing population of young men and women of Sunni faith in Europe whose loyalty lies with a competing ideology that is anti western in nature.

The fact that over a quarter of the Muslim population in the UK sympathizes with the Charlie Hebdo murders is very problematic.

Sweden has a rape epidemic, Amsterdam has become the gay bashing capital of Europe and anti-Semitism and violence against people of Jewish faith has been on the rise.

Most importantly though is that incidents of terrorism are becoming more and more commonplace throughout Europe.

The United States doesn't have this problem because immigrants from Mexico & central America are already westernized.

Is it because Muslim people are evil, no of course not. Is it because multiculturalism and its travelling companion political correctness are political ideologies based on utopian principles like Communism & socialism, Absolutely!!!

So I will say it again, if you have a policy of mass immigration you need to assimilate! assimilate!! assimilate!!!...sorry venting again.