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Goofle 11-19-2016 12:46 PM

Google actually changed their definition to the one you quoted about 5 months ago. Interesting. Probably too many people googling "left wing fascism" or something.

Also, a fascist has to do something fascist to be a fascist. Republicans haven't been in power for 8 years, let them prove it first.

Lucem Ferre 11-19-2016 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1770874)
Google actually changed their definition to the one you quoted about 5 months ago. Interesting. Probably too many people googling "left wing fascism" or something.

That means I got to stop getting my definitions from google. ****ing google, just post the actual dictionary definitions you neo-liberal ass website.

Goofle 11-19-2016 12:50 PM

Head on over to Wikipedia to get another fill of that neo-liberal kool aid.

The Batlord 11-19-2016 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1770870)
My issue is with the term "right-wing" being used within the definition, because we both know that fascism shouldn't solely be used specifically for one side or the other.

These are the best definitions I have come across: Fascism | Definition of Fascism by Merriam-Webster and Fascism | Define Fascism at Dictionary.com

Yes, fascism does have both left-wing and right-wing elements, but most of their policies are haphazardly cobbled together nonsense that the fascists didn't even follow. Functionally speaking fascism does not have a true economic policy beyond the whims of the leader and party members.

The true defining trait of fascism is ultra-right wing cultural conservatism and nationalism. Everything else is basically window dressing to legitimize a reactionary, populist movement. Fascism, despite political similarities to socialism, is mostly defined by that right-wing ideology to an extent that calling it anything but right-wing is missing the point.

Chula Vista 11-19-2016 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1770874)
Republicans haven't been in power for 8 years, let them prove it first.

You're kidding right? They've held a majority in the house and senate for the past 6 years and have done nothing but obstruct the president and other democrats on the federal level as well as passing GOP legislation at the state level. Things like restricting women's rights, gerrymandering and passing tougher voting laws to assist the GOP during statewide elections, making it harder to get a legal abortion, pushing for increased fracking, and reducing environmental protection and worker safety restrictions.

Just to name a few. Take the blinders off man.

Frownland 11-19-2016 01:42 PM

I actually think that gridlock is a good thing in general. There are cases where they're obstructing decent things, but generally it keeps things at an even level.

Goofle 11-19-2016 01:45 PM

^

OccultHawk 11-19-2016 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1770883)
You're kidding right? They've held a majority in the house and senate for the past 6 years and have done nothing but obstruct the president and other democrats on the federal level as well as passing GOP legislation at the state level. Things like restricting women's rights, gerrymandering and passing tougher voting laws to assist the GOP during statewide elections, making it harder to get a legal abortion, pushing for increased fracking, and reducing environmental protection and worker safety restrictions.

Just to name a few. Take the blinders off man.

That stuff is obviously bad governance but it was the Dems who voted to change the needed approval for cabinet posts from 60% to a simple majority. Then you got Obama stretching the limits of executive order. Now it's the Dems protesting the electoral college. You get the wrong people in there and suddenly you remember why this stuff was in place.

Chula Vista 11-19-2016 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1770888)
That stuff is obviously bad governance but it was the Dems who voted to change the needed approval for cabinet posts from 60% to a simple majority. Then you got Obama stretching the limits of executive order. Now it's the Dems protesting the electoral college. You get the wrong people in there and suddenly you remember why this stuff was in place.

True dat. I do find it a bit odd that in the past 32 presidential elections there's only two instances of the electoral college overriding the popular vote and both times it was Dems that lost. Maybe some tweaking is in order?

As of today Clinton's up 1,437,316 votes over Trump. As a comparison, Obama beat Romney by 4,982,291 and McCain by 9,550,193. And Bush beat Kerry by 3,012,166.

Xurtio 11-19-2016 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1770883)
You're kidding right? They've held a majority in the house and senate for the past 6 years and have done nothing but obstruct the president and other democrats on the federal level as well as passing GOP legislation at the state level. Things like restricting women's rights, gerrymandering and passing tougher voting laws to assist the GOP during statewide elections, making it harder to get a legal abortion, pushing for increased fracking, and reducing environmental protection and worker safety restrictions.

Just to name a few. Take the blinders off man.

Yeap, Congress is collectively more powerful than the president in terms of how their decisions affect Americans domestically.

OccultHawk 11-19-2016 02:11 PM

It's now or never for the electoral college. Keeping us safe from our own populist idiocy is what it's there for. Hopefully, they'll have the balls to refuse to hand over the reins to Trump. Not because Hillary won the popular vote but because Trump was obviously a very bad choice and they exist to safeguard against us against people like Trump becoming president. Sign the petition.

Xurtio 11-19-2016 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1770892)
It's now or never for the electoral college. Keeping us safe from our own populist idiocy is what it's there for. Hopefully, they'll have the balls to refuse to hand over the reins to Trump. Not because Hillary won the popular vote but because Trump was obviously a very bad choice and they exist to safeguard against us against people like Trump becoming president. Sign the petition.

doesn't matter how many votes the petition gets. It's not gonna happen.

Zhanteimi 11-19-2016 02:39 PM

Lynching in Trump Country

Bullying isn't OK...except when it is.

Chula Vista 11-19-2016 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1770892)
It's now or never for the electoral college. Keeping us safe from our own populist idiocy is what it's there for.

Interesting debate here. Vast majority think it needs to be reformed.

Should the electoral college be reformed? | Debate.org

Frownland 11-19-2016 02:53 PM

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...06&oe=58B5B81C

I see this meme and others like it (they usually focus on highly populated counties instead of states like this one) a lot and I always think/reply "One man, one vote...unless you happen to live near a lot of other men."

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-19-2016 02:57 PM

People in Texas, Florida, and most of California shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.

- someone who isn't able to vote anyway

Frownland 11-19-2016 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1770902)
People in Texas, Florida, and most of California shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.

- someone who isn't able to vote anyway

I agree. If it didn't open the door to so much politically/racially/whatever motivated voter suppression, I'd be all about a qualifying test for the right to vote.

djchameleon 11-19-2016 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1770885)
I actually think that gridlock is a good thing in general. There are cases where they're obstructing decent things, but generally it keeps things at an even level.

It is nice to have checks and balance in place but not when they are so stubborn to the point of shutting down the government because they want to be contrary. It's messed up when the citizens end up having to pay the price of their political posturing.

Chula Vista 11-19-2016 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1770921)
It is nice to have checks and balance in place but not when they are so stubborn to the point of shutting down the government because they want to be contrary. It's messed up when the citizens end up having to pay the price of their political posturing.

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Chula Vista 11-19-2016 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1770901)
"One man, one vote...unless you happen to live near a lot of other men."

Will steal this.

This says it all:

States where the margin of victory was under 1% (30 electoral votes - Trump wins 26 - Clinton wins 4):

Michigan, 0.27% - Trump
New Hampshire, 0.37% - Clinton
Wisconsin, 0.81% - Trump

Trump wins the 3 states by 0.47% of the popular vote yet walks away with 86.7% of the electoral votes.

And she's officially as of today a whole percentage point ahead of him in votes - 48% to 47% - yet he gets 55.65% of the electoral votes.

The system needs some tweaking.

Neapolitan 11-19-2016 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1770921)
It's messed up when the citizens end up having to pay the price...

Citizens always have to pay the price, it's call taxes.

djchameleon 11-19-2016 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1770950)
Citizens always have to pay the price, it's call taxes.

Beyond that though, like workers not getting paid for instance.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1770819)
Flynn, the hawkish hothead with questionable ties to Russia and Turkey:

Why is this a big deal? Trump has ties to Russia that he keeps denying but Russia pretty much decided to force themselves into our election process to help Trump win.

Goofle 11-20-2016 12:10 PM

Dale Winton: Donald Trump

A few of the English/British people will get a kick out of Dale Winton supporting Donald Trump.

Lucem Ferre 11-20-2016 12:13 PM

Is it true that Donald Trump is putting Wall Street people in the white house? Like that Goldman Sachs guy?

Lucem Ferre 11-20-2016 12:17 PM

Steven Mnuchin is the guys name that's supposed to be secretary of treasury.

The Batlord 11-20-2016 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1771030)
Is it true that Donald Trump is putting Wall Street people in the white house? Like that Goldman Sachs guy?

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1771031)
Steven Mnuchin is the guys name that's supposed to be secretary of treasury.

Yeah, congrats to all you Trump supporters for having your faith justified.

Goofle 11-20-2016 12:22 PM

Why do you have a Raul avatar?

Lucem Ferre 11-20-2016 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1771033)
Yeah, congrats to all you Trump supporters for having your faith justified.

If it happens it's another regretful 'I told you so' under my belt from this election.

Chula Vista 11-20-2016 12:24 PM

If he appoints James Mattis as Defense Secretary I'll give him props. Mattis has been vocal with his opposition to some of Trump's stances on the middle east.

The Batlord 11-20-2016 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1771034)
Why do you have a Raul avatar?

Jesús wouldn't be caught dead again playing a lame sport like soccer.

Lucem Ferre 11-20-2016 12:45 PM

No, I mean, I swear that was a part of his campaign. That he was against Wall Street and the 'big banks' taking advantage of our system, but now he's putting, or at least considering it, Wall Street people into the white house.

The Batlord 11-20-2016 12:49 PM

http://www.oldnavy.com/products/res/...enta-magic.jpg

Lucem Ferre 11-20-2016 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1771047)

Or perhaps, like I've been saying all along, he was absolutely lying to everybody and is not the anti establishment guy he portrayed himself as.

Chula Vista 11-20-2016 01:52 PM

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...bf&oe=58C1BACF

Cuthbert 11-20-2016 01:56 PM

lol

Psy-Fi 11-21-2016 08:47 AM


innerspaceboy 11-21-2016 06:01 PM

A few brief excerpts of a speech from the annual conference of the National Policy Institute held Saturday at The Ronald Reagan Building in Washington, D.C.

“Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!” cheered Richard Spencer, who's dream is “a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans,” and has called for “peaceful ethnic cleansing.”


Zhanteimi 11-21-2016 06:14 PM

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...a0652323f6.jpg

Goofle 11-21-2016 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi (Post 1771132)

That's probably the funniest thing I have seen from SNL.

Chula Vista 11-21-2016 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by innerspaceboy (Post 1771254)
A few brief excerpts of a speech from the annual conference of the National Policy Institute held Saturday at The Ronald Reagan Building in Washington, D.C.

“Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!” cheered Richard Spencer, who's dream is “a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans,” and has called for “peaceful ethnic cleansing.”

Meet the Neo-Nazi Steve Bannon's site described as a leading "Intellectual."

https://media.giphy.com/media/hQrCbtrmahpBe/giphy.gif


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