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Old 10-01-2016, 10:54 PM   #3201 (permalink)
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^are you ****ing kidding? Read the article or don't respond.
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Old 10-01-2016, 11:00 PM   #3202 (permalink)
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I read the article and my statement still stands.
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Then you're ****ing stupid.
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Old 10-01-2016, 11:02 PM   #3204 (permalink)
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I think you are the stupid one because you don't understand the business world.

Just back out of the conversation.
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Old 10-01-2016, 11:06 PM   #3205 (permalink)
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Wasn't there a recession from the mid to late 90s?
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Wasn't there a recession from the mid to late 90s?
no. pretty much all the 90s was a boom period
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I double checked. There was. 1990-92 Early 1990s Recession - Timeline - Slaying the Dragon of Debt - Regional Oral History Office - University of California, Berkeley

It was temporary and the rest of the decade was a boom.
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Old 10-01-2016, 11:17 PM   #3208 (permalink)
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I was 5-6 at the time, so I don't know.
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I was 5-6 at the time, so I don't know.
Lol. It was only 8 months. Not exactly significant.

When it comes to whether or not trump is successful, I like what snopes had to say about it.

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Trump: Good or Bad Business Record?

So how are we to rate Donald Trump's business acumen in relative terms? Is the cautious businessman who minimizes risk, rarely fails, and shows a moderate return better than the brash businessman who often takes on highly risky pursuits, strikes out a lot, but also hits his share of grand slams? That's too subjective a question for us to answer, and the few numbers offered in this trope aren't very informative.

It's an oft-cited statistic that Donald Trump "has" 515 companies, but a number of those businesses are only connected to him in tangential ways (e.g., through licensing agreements) and aren't owned or directly controlled by him.

It's also an oft-cited statistic that about 80-90% of businesses fail within the first year to eighteen months, but such numbers typically refer to startups and small businesses, while much of Donald Trump's business empire involves expanding and building on existing large business lines and ventures.

Citing four or six failures out of 515 efforts isn't very enlightening in the absence of a real context in which to evaluate those numbers. A pro athlete who won 511 out of 515 matches would be acclaimed among the world's greatest, and a songwriter who hit the Top 40 with 511 out of 515 tunes would be heralded as the preeminent composer of all time. But a doctor who lost four patients out of 515 might find little demand for his services, and a commercial pilot who crashed four times in 515 flights would likely have a hard time finding an employer (or any passengers willing to fly with him). There is no meaningful standard to apply here.

The most important takeaway from this trope might be that you can't sum up the world of big business. much less any presidential candidate's qualifications, with a couple of numbers devoid of explanation or context.
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NY Times published a similar piece on the Trump tax revelations, and summarized the damage caused by Trump's business practices -

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The $916 million loss certainly could have eliminated any federal income taxes Mr. Trump otherwise would have owed on the $50,000 to $100,000 he was paid for each episode of “The Apprentice,” or the roughly $45 million he was paid between 1995 and 2009 when he was chairman or chief executive of the publicly traded company he created to assume ownership of his troubled Atlantic City casinos. Ordinary investors in the new company, meanwhile, saw the value of their shares plunge to 17 cents from $35.50, while scores of contractors went unpaid for work on Mr. Trump’s casinos and casino bondholders received pennies on the dollar.

“He has a vast benefit from his destruction” in the early 1990s, said one of the experts, Joel Rosenfeld, an assistant professor at New York University’s Schack Institute of Real Estate. Mr. Rosenfeld offered this description of what he would advise a client who came to him with a tax return like Mr. Trump’s: “Do you realize you can create $916 million in income without paying a nickel in taxes?”
Of course, by the numbers this demonstrates that he is a great businessman - just as long as "great business" means maximizing one's personal profit directly as a result of your exploitation of all persons in your employ, using any and all means neccessary to deny them their due wages and shareholdings for the work they've performed. And millions of dollars of tax evasion is one of the most effective means of exploiting the greatest number of possible victims, as in this manner your greed negatively impacts all of your fellow citizens far and wide.

By that measure, Trump is perhaps the greatest businessman of our time.
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