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Old 12-29-2015, 01:57 PM   #681 (permalink)
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Then give me the exact time it is now a baby. What if the baby is born early? Can it be aborted, since it is not technically fully mature? What if it is late? can it be aborted while still in the womb, even though it should technically be out by now? Can it be killed after it is born?

I already said, once a new sequence of nucleotide bases is formed on DNA, a new human life is formed. Therefore, it is wrong to kill it.
What if the mother was raped? What if tests show the baby to be severely retarded and deformed. What if the pregnancy was an accident and the couple do not have the means or maturity to properly raise a child which would probably result in the kid being abused in any number of ways?
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How do you feel about all of the pro death penalty GOP folks. Or how about the people that murder abortion clinic workers.
Absolutely wrong. Terrorism is not an acceptable method for anything.

How do you feel about equal rights? Should blacks have equal rights? Of course they should! They're human beings like everyone else! But how do you feel about the black superiority terrorists that advocated violence as a way to get equal rights? They did the complete wrong thing, correct? That's how I feel about anti-abortion terrorists. The end does not justify the means in any situation.

Death penalty... that's a tougher one to think about. Killing is a bad thing, no matter the situation. Lives are not meant to be taken. I don't know if the death penalty is the right thing to do or not, but in that situation, at least the person is being punished for something they did wrong. What are you going to punish the baby for, existing? In most abortion cases, the situation is the same. The baby is essentially being killed because they're inconvenient to someone else.
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So... then how do you discern when a zygote or a fetus is a baby?
Science. It may be a nebulous distinction, but a zygote or early fetus definitely does not count as a baby.

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There is human DNA in lots of things: skin cells, sperm cells, egg cells, muscle cells, etc. Are these human life? Are they life at all in any meaningful sense? Should they be protected by law?

Just because the "baby process" has been started does not automatically make a cell/group of cells a baby in the sense of a human being with human consciousness.

And if you consider a zygote or a fetus to be a human life that should be protected by law, should not then a doctor who performs an abortion or a woman who has an abortion be charged with 1st degree murder? What about a father who supports the mother's decision, or the abortion clinic nurses who assist with the procedure? Should they be legally complicit in murder?
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What if the mother was raped? What if tests show the baby to be severely retarded and deformed. What if the pregnancy was an accident and the couple do not have the means or maturity to properly raise a child which would probably result in the kid being abused in any number of ways?
Rape... that's a tougher question. It is a terrible thing, yes. But even though it came from something horrible and despicable, isn't it still a life? Are you saying that the child should be killed because his father did a terrible thing? Again, that's a tough one.

Why would that have anything to do with it? With the proper care and love, retarded/deformed people can live very fulfilling lives.

And the last one. That's just speculation on your part. If someone says, "I'm not ready for a kid; I can't do it" that's really just cold feet. Why are you assuming it would be better for the child to die instead of being in a situation that could be potentially bad based on some sketchy speculations? That's silly. Did you know that Obama's mother considered aborting him?
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Rape... that's a tougher question. It is a terrible thing, yes. But even though it came from something horrible and despicable, isn't it still a life? Are you saying that the child should be killed because his father did a terrible thing? Again, that's a tough one.
So the rapist automatically gets labeled as "the father"? How about if he held a knife to the woman's throat and punched her around a bit while he was ****ing her? Does he still get the dad title?
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Science. It may be a nebulous distinction, but a zygote or early fetus definitely does not count as a baby.



There is human DNA in lots of things: skin cells, sperm cells, egg cells, muscle cells, etc. Are these human life? Are they life at all in any meaningful sense? Should they be protected by law?

Just because the "baby process" has been started does not automatically make a cell/group of cells a baby in the sense of a human being with human consciousness.

And if you consider a zygote or a fetus to be a human life that should be protected by law, should not then a doctor who performs an abortion or a woman who has an abortion be charged with 1st degree murder? What about a father who supports the mother's decision, or the abortion clinic nurses who assist with the procedure? Should they be legally complicit in murder?
Sorry. I'll be more specific and use the words "human life" instead.

No. But if you cause almostevery single cell containing that DNA to die, that is murder.

That's just speculation on your part. How do you know there is no human consciousness? You don't even have a leg to stand on there.

Possibly. If you kill a pregnant woman, you can be charged for two murders, so it is possible. It is a complicated situation, however.
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So the rapist automatically gets labeled as "the father"? How about if he held a knife to the woman's throat and punched her around a bit while he was ****ing her? Does he still get the dad title?
He technically did father the child, but yeah. You've got a point there. The rapist really doesn't deserve the title of "dad". Again, that is a difficult scenario to judge.
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