I don't think that's your decision to make.

I've not been on in a week. Let me point the finger and look down my nose on you for a little while at least. My ego insists on that much.

But, ahh, I know you're a goodun really. ;)

Considering I'm a big reason why the posts were deleted, I'd say it is my decision.

Explain.

I made the jokes about the whole thing. JWB was actually quite tame. That's why I'm.confused as to whyhe was banned, and that I got away no problem. Not that I want a ban, but Jwb wasn't nearly as bad in this thread as I was.

That's not an explanation of why you think you're the reason the posts got deleted. They were deleted because the entire mod team and site was offended with what was in here and I came in and deleted them all. So, it's not your decision when we stop talking about it. I'm done with it, but some people feel the need to highlight how sh*tty the beginning of this thread was. That's their right. It obviously wasn't just you, and I don't mean to point you out, although you're doing a great job of leading me to it.

Ki, you're not a bad person. Nobody thinks you're a bad person. You, along with others, were being assh*les. Take some responsibility, show some humility, ignore this thread if you have to, and move on. Just don't complain about how people react to something you said. That's not your call. You gave that up.

To your second point as I do agree with your first point, I did take responsibility. But you're right, ill just ignore the thread.

I've no idea what you said, but this here - this haughty way of evaluating life based on where one lives is offensive. Anyone who thinks a Bangladeshi or Bhutanese life is worth less than a British or American life is wholly ignorant:

I don't think he was talking about his opinion on it in that post you quoted, just trying to explain why the media doesn't report the two the same way.

Yeah, maybe. But the use of the word 'we' suggests it's his view too. I suppose only he knows what he really meant. But I'll leave it at that, I don't enjoy picking fault, furthermore it's unfair when he can't come defend himself.

You ain't ready.



On a serious note tho, has anyone recently looked at the news, good time to brush up on your aim, knife skills, and melee techniques.... Maybe stockpile water. Imma die before I end up enslaved. Laugh all y'all want, you can't hide with me.

:whythis:

So if we say something someone on the staff finds offensive in a debate we get banned? That is probably the best way to run a successful website I have ever heard. I'm sure that in no way has anything to do with why this place is in decline. Hitler did absolutely nothing wrong.

If you don't like it, leave.

Why do some of you fail to understand that this isn't 4chan and that there is a limit to what you can say on here? And for the record, JWB earned his ban over the last two years. It wasn't just because of the last few days. Also, did you see what was said before I deleted the posts or are you just assuming? Also, if you did see the posts, do you feel that saying the victims deserved it and that we should eliminate any French regardless of race part of a debate? Also, who are you?

Also, let me point out the guidlines to this particular sub-forum that only few bother to read...

The same rules apply here as everywhere else. If you don't know what those rules are. Here...

http://www.musicbanter.com/lounge/an...-10-07-12.html

Is JWB permabanned or temporarily banned?

If he was permabanned I don't think it was fair.

He didn't break any of those rules, he never implied that other lives matter less just the truth of how we (being society) react to it, while trying to figure why we react that way. Silly him, Joker already explained.

There's also a more silent effect. When I saw what was going on in this thread, I had the gut reaction of not wanting to use this site again, even though I'm here to talk about music. It's not enjoyable, and it certainly wasn't beneficial to the discussion. It's a music forum, so I'm not expecting high intellectual discourse. At the same time, one has to question if they want to be around the type of environment where a bunch of losers make jokes about a serious incident that just happened, without a shred of dignity, and it's OK and/or a regular thing. I've felt the mod team get involved too quickly before and I'll also not be a part of an over-moderated site, but the mods were right on this one.

Yeah reading people say things you don't like is awful. I just kind of move on with my life.

But banning people works too, exalted ones. And what do you mean who am I? I'm random member #33543. You really shouldn't pull the "if you don't like it then leave" card as a member of the staff. It makes you sound like one of those dicks who actually take forum stuff really seriously which I am assuming you are not because you are the opposite of banned.

While I'm at it free Soulflower you racist ass.

They coming man .

He broke the rule about trolling. As Exo said, it wasn't just in this thread, it was an ongoing pattern with him. I'm saying this as a person who moderated this site for six years: most of the time members who aren't mods get their hackles up about these kind of things because they don't see the full picture and are unaware of all the history that lead up to a ban. Exo is a good guy and a good mod, he's not a person who is going to capriciously run around banning people without good reason.

I have no issue with people denouncing Ki, JWB, and my posts in this thread. I'm not going to apologize for my posts themselves (as I don't feel ashamed for making jokes in general), but I am sorry that I apparently offended so many people. I love to get under people's skin, but actively offending them isn't something I desire to do.

I feel more embarrassed that most of my posts (but not the very first couple or so) were made when I was too drunk to really show good judgement, since that's a symptom of a personal issue that I won't go into out of respect for not making this about me. But that's not the main reason I'd say what I said, as the 24-hour, "If it bleeds it leads" news cycle has made it hard for me connect with events that I hear about only through the media and have no personal connection with. Maybe that makes me callous, but it is what it is, I guess.

But I understand that others have every right to take offense at my comments, and given the circumstances I also understand how they might and have reacted, so I'm not going to take them to task for keeping this going days after the original incident stopped.

I am however going to ask the people complaining about Exo's actions to chill out. These discussions never do anything but cause escalating drama, and the mods were totally justified in moderating a thread of this nature, not to mention one which is in a discussion area of the site. Additionally, I recognize that incidents like this, whether or not I feel the same as others about my actual comments, do legitimately have a negative effect on the atmosphere and culture of the site, so I'm fine with the mods drawing a line in the sand in order to keep this site from becoming just a "playground" for a few individuals.

You're not a moderator so, yeah, you can ignore whatever you want. Moderators, however, are supposed to pay attention to things and act when rules are being broken. That's the job they volunteer to do, a job which benefits you in many ways that you don't even see. And, yes, it's an unpaid job that kind of sucks to be honest. It sucks even more because people with very little frame of reference berate those those doing it no matter what they do. Your last sentence is a perfect example: name calling and judgement over an issue you don't understand the context or history of at all.

Check your privilege.

lol

Holy ignoramus.

Does anyone pay attention? JWB was banned because he asked me to ban him. WTF is so hard to understand about that? He'd still be here if he never said anything. One way to get banned is to ask... no, tempt a mod into it. I have no problem with it whatsoever. If you don't like how the place is run, then let me know and I'll help you out in the nicest possible way I can.

I want you ban them all.

I'm only here to do your bidding, my love.

If you honestly banned him because he kind of goaded you about it then I formally retract any and all things I have said about how it was stupid. I also have to admit this is mostly due to the fact that in my 8 hour shift I had 30 minutes of work to do and finished my book an hour in so... I got pretty bored.

Nudes sent!

Besides the asinine jokes, it didn't take long for Godwin's law to come into play in this thread, unfortunately.

^ Just from looking at those last two posts, I'd be willing to bet that this is another sockpuppet account from either Soulflower or Sansa.

You need to stop assuming everyone is being as serious as you are lol. It's a forum.

I guessed 216 with the priv ****.

Yeh, but why can't we hide with you? :(

Why can't I hide behind you, house?

Behind me.. underneath.. on top of.. Idc, as long as you're with me :love:

Its my boots isnt it?

Yeah, because a thread about the massacre of 129 people with 352 wounded, including 99 who are in a very serious condition is nothing to be serious about and tasteless jokes, laughs and asinine comments are appropriate, right?

This is why these types of threads always devolve into idiocy at MB. There are too many immature attention seekers here who always want to hijack them and make it all about themselves with their nonsense posts.

Of course.

Indeed. I've questioned coming here due to this thread. I know it's only a forum, only opinions, words on a screen, nothing serious, and I agree, but ugly displays make it a less enjoyable place to be. I come here to share and discover music and have a little fun. What went on in this thread makes it less fun and surely drives/keeps people away. I don't expect public displays of compassion from everyone over every little thing but a little humanity isn't too much to ask.

Specifically the comment they were referring to. Like I said, stop hamming it up. Everyone treats subject like these as like... be offended Olympics. Had this topic not already been stupid I would still be like, fully on topic, but the world spins on a tilted axis.

Now that's just silly. One thread doesn't represent the whole forum.

Whoa dude, take it easy..

Ki, Batlord & Jwb aren't losers they just made a couple of jokes that didn't go over well, I know their jokes were perceived as distasteful but if you know them a bit, you know they're not bad ppl. I agree that the mods handled this well but i don't see the need to keep on shaming them.

I mean, seeing Batlord's half assed apology was frickin painful to read cause imo he didn't need to do that, it was a joke! But it seems now ppl here are more interested in making it a moral issue just to create more forum drama that has little to do with the subject of the thread.