Chula Vista

Disagree. But I'm just the old ****.

Sorry for swearing and spoiling your ears Ki.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Isbjørn

Plus, we don't react as much to tragedies that are partly caused by our own countries. When NATO bombed Libya, people barely lifted an eye here in Norway. The politicians talked about it as if it was a humanitarian intervention - except for one leftist party that has later made some effort to apologize for voting for the bombing in parliament. The media didn't say much either. People don't want to read stuff that makes them feel guilty.

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William_the_Bloody

Well I do think the liberal interventionism which has been a hallmark of the Democrat Party going back to Woodrow Wilson, and has infected the Republican Party under the guise of neo conservatism (basically Wilsonianism) is part of the problem.

The idea that we can replace strong men with legislative assemblies in countries that have absolutely no tradition of the rule of law or democracy is utopian. Libya is worse off now than it is under Gaddafi.

This whole nonsense pushed by the media of an Arab Spring was nothing more than rulers losing their grip because they had become extremely unpopular once the effects of 2009 crash and slowdown hit the Arab world.

Some rulers lost power, (Gaddafi) and some re-established their power, (Egypt) and they did not do it by establishing habeas corpus, and the rule of law.

-Did anyone think that a country with sectarian violence like Iraq would have become a full fledge democracy?

-That the majority of the Shia population would embrace Americanism over their brothers in Iran?

-That the Sunni population would stand by and except having their power and resources stripped away after dominating the region for years under Saddam?

-That Libya wouldn't break down into tribal warring factions, but instead would come together to make a functioning western democracy?

-By continuing to support the rebels in the South of Syria, we will one day bring about a great democratic nation filled with Wallmart's and Mcdonalds?

- That the Muslim Brotherhood wouldn't attempt a power grab in Egypt and that it would have turned into a great western democracy

I think it's safe to say that American & western foreign policy of the 21st century has been abject failure.

We need to get over the western guilt of imperialism that liberals & Marxists like to shame people into feeling, and get back to the Realpolitik of Henri Kissinger, and support stability. "He may be an as$hole! but he's our as$hole!"

Yes I'm a conservative on foreign policy because presently it doesn't exist!

anyways that's my rant!

The Batlord

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**** no and **** yes to all applicable questions as necessary to show my agreement with all of that.

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Lucem Ferre

As much as these jokes may disgust me at times...

I think it's better to laugh than to cry.

Plus, it's not like these people are going to come on here and read these things. **** no, they don't got time for that! Some poor French guy just gets his brother blown up and he's like "Oh no, I have to find out what Music Banter has to say about this!".


But on the other side of the spectrum, the reason why Chula is bothered by it is because human suffering genuinely bothers him. It's something that goes along with having your humanity and morals.

Edit: So are the French going to defend themselves or is America going to sink it's self into debt doing it for them?

John Wilkes Booth

tbh i think subconciously we rank 1st world deaths over 3rd world deaths since life in the 3rd world is already **** so i guess it seems like less of a loss

for example we cared a lot about japan's tsunami even through they're not our people. probably wouldn't have cared if it was cambodia or something.

Chula Vista

You truly have a warped sense of........... well........... pretty much everything.

I'll forever be on the fence about whether I like you or not.

Kinda cool.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

John Wilkes Booth

i think what i said is pretty true tbh... it's just an uncomfortable truth. i didn't say it was a good thing pal

edit - if you think about it, it's not all that different from the disparity between the feelings you get for an elderly person who passes away vs a child who passes away. one of them was in much better shape and had a much brighter future. i think the only reason you have to rebel against this notion is cause you are rich and thus thinking about how poor people's lives matter less to society in practice makes you uncomfortable.

Cuthbert

You get used to it in the Middle East, a car bomb going off there or someone blowing themselves up in the street is not really unusual so it's not really 'news', whereas over here it is. Though some of the stuff ISIS have did over there has been big news here anyway, like drowning people in cages and running people over in tanks, throwing gay people off rooves - because they posted videos it seems more real.

And it's understandable that Europeans would be concerned with this, shit's on our doorstep now.

John Wilkes Booth

that's just a polite rewording of what i was saying tbh... "their life is ****" =correlation= "a car bomb going off is not so unusual"