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DeadChannel · 05-22-2016, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mordwyr

I've been down that road, the road of questions (and I still have many!), but I'm not being unkind to you. That's the difference. There is the proof.

I'm not being unkind. But even if I were, that's hardly evidence for a higher power.

But believe you me, if you were to provide actual real evidence of the existence of God, I'd totally consider your argument and change my mind and whatever. You just don't have evidence.

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What I mean is, God allows us to go through trials. He doesn't always make them. The real test is whether or not we can withstand the trials of the world, and the wiles of the devil. So, God's allowing tests to happen, but he's not usually the tester.

But, like, that's still not a rational reason to believe.

Zhanteimi · 05-22-2016, 10:20 PM

Why don't we start a Christianity thread to discuss our faith further?

Zhanteimi · 05-22-2016, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel

I'm not being unkind. But even if I were, that's hardly evidence for a higher power.

It is evidence. It's the clearest kind.

JGuy Grungeman · 05-22-2016, 10:21 PM

God did lift his protection from Israel when thet disobeyed. And he did more than help them when they obeyed. The Moses story is about that. But there are times he helps for other reasons.

JGuy Grungeman · 05-22-2016, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel

I'm not being unkind. But even if I were, that's hardly evidence for a higher power.

But believe you me, if you were to provide actual real evidence of the existence of God, I'd totally consider your argument and change my mind and whatever. You just don't have evidence.

But, like, that's still not a rational reason to believe.

Maybe not. But if you try it for a while, you may find your own personal proof. A walk with God is personal. You can't expect other men to walk for you or tell you everything. Only if you want God in your life, though.

DeadChannel · 05-22-2016, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

God did lift his protection from Israel when thet disobeyed. And he did more than help them when they obeyed. The Moses story is about that. But there are times he helps for other reasons.

Sounds like kind of a dick. But, like, in order for that to be a reason to believe, I'd already have to believe that that stuff happened. Catch 22, not a good tactic dig me?

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Maybe not. But if you try it for a while, you may find your own personal proof. A walk with God is personal. You can't expect other men to walk for you or tell you everything. Only if you want God in your life, though.

Even if that stuff happens (and it didn't even when I did the whole Christian thing) how will I know that I'm not wrong? People from every religion claim these things, why should I be so sure of my faith?

innerspaceboy · 05-22-2016, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mordwyr

Then you are interested only in begging the question. So I shan't respond to anything else you've asked, because, in your sarcasm, you've answered your own questions. You're not interested in hearing my answers.

As the one making the extraordinary claim, the burden of proof is on you to provide the evidence to substantiate said claim. Of course, your claim is met with skepticism (sarcasm or otherwise), as again I've demonstrated the perplexing conditions which exist that a benevolent divine being with a grand plan must address to justify their proposed benevolence.

Quite honestly, I would be humbled, enlightened, and eternally grateful were you to present a logical case which explains away all of the misery and suffering I've inquired about. It would be an achievement of unparalleled merit, as no one before you has been able to accomplish the task. If not for my sake, do it for the million dollar prize offered by the JREF and donate the money to the church.

As a rational and logical individual, to be presented with irrefutable evidence for a divine being despite all of the horrors attributed to his name, and despite the thousands of contradictions in his divine text (see previous link), such evidence would be life-changing and inspirational.

I say this sincerely and without jest.

Lay it on us.

Neapolitan · 05-22-2016, 10:25 PM

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Did you watch the Zeitgeist segment? It's under 10 minutes - do yourself a favor and click 'play.' Or read Campbell's works but trust me 10 minutes sums it up nicely.

Your statement is terribly convenient. So if I understand correctly... the 3000 other world religious are setups for your religion, which is the real one.

And the billions and billions of years of the ever-expanding universe, the incomprehensible scale of space, all for one infinitesimally small blue-green speck, upon which 99.9% of species came and went extinct in the 100 thousand years of our own existence, the billions and billions of people who were born, few surviving past infancy, the tens of thousands of years of struggle for survival, most people dying of their own teeth, the countless diseases plaguing mankind for the first 98,000 years of our time, the tribal wars, countless slaughters of children and entire tribes based on superstition of what were in fact nothing more than natural events, 98,000 years of slavery, rape, starvation, murder, and ignorance... all part of his divine plan. And after all that misery and suffering, our benevolent creator finally intervened, sending a savior to a bunch of illiterate desert-dwellers (forget the Chinese... who at that time already had written language and literacy), sent a savior to pantomime out the exact same story already told by all the "fake" religions, and was NOT based on the astrological metaphors which strangely correspond with every single element of the Jesus character's story... which years after his death was accounted for in a storybook riddled with self-contradictory statements (here are a few thousand examples), along with barbaric constructs like god's approval of slavery, rape, his own endless capriciousness, and a need for constant adoration, but which is infallibly accurate and the divine inspired word of god (give or take a few thousand contradictions)?

Is that right?

Real Evidence that Jesus Christ exists and was crucified!!

Zhanteimi · 05-22-2016, 10:27 PM

The horrors are not attributed to His name. The horrors are ours alone.

There are no contradictions. Perceived contradictions may exist because the person seeing them does not have enough knowledge.

DeadChannel · 05-22-2016, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mordwyr

The horrors are not attributed to His name. The horrors are ours alone.

There are no contradictions. Perceived contradictions may exist because the person seeing them does not have enough knowledge.

Sounds like a pretty bad excuse. Like, the same events happen differently in different books of the Bible. They are directly contradictory. Should we take this as evidence for multiple universes or something?

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