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Old 10-12-2016, 07:30 AM   #1041 (permalink)
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Yeah, good thing I don't hold people's politics against them and I can still be friends with people that I disagree with politically but the thing that I hate worse than the PC police is the anti-PC, "freedom of speech", MRA type crowd. You are definitely coming off as one of those and they irk me so badly. You are the complete opposite spectrum as a SJW but you are just as bad as they are and just as annoy. I don't agree with everything that SJWs complain over but majority of the time they are right.
Because I don't see racism in areas where there's no proof of it? I'm far from that kind of person, I think I would typically get lumped in as a SJW quicker than I would as a MRA. I support equality, I understand white privilege is real, and I support feminism. That doesn't change the fact that what Trump has said for in his campaign simply isn't racist.
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Old 10-12-2016, 07:46 AM   #1042 (permalink)
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Because I don't see racism in areas where there's no proof of it? I'm far from that kind of person, I think I would typically get lumped in as a SJW quicker than I would as a MRA. I support equality, I understand white privilege is real, and I support feminism. That doesn't change the fact that what Trump has said for in his campaign simply isn't racist.
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The early comments on Mexico were very conspiratorial ("they're sending their worst blah blah blah") and pander an us versus them attitude sound so much like they come from a place of racism that I don't see why we can't call them racist in themselves.
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It's an us vesus them attitude in a political sense, not a racist sense. He was bemoaning immigrants who have done criminal things. He wasn't saying that Mexicans (which isn't a "race" by the way, but we can pretend it is to help the people arguing that it was racist) are inferior overall because of their genetics--that is, because of or co-exhaustive with the specific genetic properties that make them Mexican rather than some other "race."
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:59 AM   #1044 (permalink)
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It's not a race, it's an ethnicity. You can be racist against an ethnicity. It's a very weak semantic argument, so you might want to quit bringing it up.

Apart from that I can see your perspective, but I have a broader definition of racism that includes more than people explicitly saying it so I don't really agree with you.
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It's not a race, it's an ethnicity. You can be racist against an ethnicity.
The whole idea "races" is extremely dubious in the first place. The idea of an ethnicity is much more vaguely defined and far more dubious from a scientific perspective. Of course, yeah, people can ignorantly believe that there would be some genetic commonality, significantly different from other folks' genetics, to ethnicities that would make them inferior/superior to other ethnicities, but on the other hand, people could believe equally ignorant things about nationalities, vocations, and all sorts of other classifications that they could be bigoted against. So by equal rights you might call someone "racist against doctors," but that would be encouraging stupidity, wouldn't it?

Also, "Mexican" as an ethnicity rather than a nationality is extremely vague.
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Ja, and I'm sure that those intelligent enough to harbour racist thoughts are very concerned with how scientifically valid their views are.
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Ja, and I'm sure that those intelligent enough to harbour racist thoughts are very concerned with how scientifically valid their views are.
Would you say that someone might be "racist against doctors"?
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Would you say that asking leading questions is obnoxious?
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Would you say that asking leading questions is obnoxious?
What answer do you think the question suggests?
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What answer do you think the question suggests?
It suggests that you think that racism is strictly prejudice, when in reality it's prejudice against a race or ethnicity. So no, you can't be racist against doctors. Is this supposed to be a big "gotcha"?
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