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Old 10-30-2016, 10:48 PM   #1801 (permalink)
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You just said he was covering his own ass. You say he has two reasons, but then turn around and say he didn't have any other reason when it comes time to accuse him of being partisan. I'm seriously confused as to your reasoning. Usually I can at least follow your train of thought, but this time I'm actually struggling.
He's covering his ass with his party by trying to influence the election in their favor. Are you reading all of my posts because I've explained the logic very clearly a number of times over the past few pages.

If Clinton wins and then weeks later Comey comes up with something to use against her, and then the GOP learns that he had the potential ammo weeks before the election but chose to keep it quiet per Department of Justice protocol he'd be roasted alive by the GOP and the alt-right.

So he said damn the torpedos and leaked the news to possibly save his ass down the road in the scenario above.
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Old 10-30-2016, 10:50 PM   #1802 (permalink)
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He's covering his ass with his party by trying to influence the election in their favor. Are you reading all of my posts because I've explained the logic very clearly a number of times over the past few pages.

If Clinton wins and then weeks later Comey comes up with something to use against her, and then the GOP learns that he had the potential ammo weeks before the election but chose to keep it quiet per Department of Justice protocol he'd be roasted alive by the GOP and the alt-right.

So he said damn the torpedos and leaked the news to possibly save his ass down the road in the scenario above.
Wouldn't that all be true if he was a Democrat?
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Old 10-30-2016, 10:52 PM   #1803 (permalink)
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Agreed. There's plenty of stuff pointing at him doing it for possibly very short term GOP gains. And we don't KNOW that pressure led to his poor decision. That's something you keep clinging to.



At this time there is no FBI criminal probe or criminal investigation. Clinton shouldn't take responsibility for anything until the FBI comes forth and discloses that they actually found something incriminating in the new emails.



This reeks of guilty until proven innocent. What if she loses the election and afterwards the FBI comes out and admits they found nothing. Remember you can't be cleared of something until after you've actually been charged of something. The first investigation is closed. As of today there's no criminal investigation open.

So again, the only logical conclusion he did what he did (and is getting roundly criticized for) is to help the GOP in the homestretch of the election.
Her initial investigation has not been reopened, but the FBI is currently conducting a criminal probe into her previous activities in light of these new emails. There must be something substantive in there that goes beyond her daily aerobics routine for the Director of the FBI to notify congress less than two weeks before the federal election.

So again, whether this becomes public information or not, she chose to break the rules in regards to national security, so she must take responsibility for the fallout that occurs. If Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders was the nominee, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Wouldn't that all be true if he was a Democrat?
Only if he was trying to influence for the democrat. If he was a Dem and trying to damage the GOP candidate he'd be catching the same flack from his bosses and the right.

The DOJ and FBI are suppose to do everything possible to not seem partisan and especially not potentially interfere with elections.
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Only if he was trying to influence for the democrat. If he was a Dem and trying to damage the GOP candidate he'd be catching the same flack from his bosses and the right.

The DOJ and FBI are suppose to do everything possible to not seem partisan and especially not potentially interfere with elections.
But if he was a Democrat and didn't go public then he'd catch the same **** from the Republicans. His party affiliation would make no difference, except perhaps from the amount of **** he would catch.
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Her initial investigation has not been reopened, but the FBI is currently conducting a criminal probe into her previous activities in light of these new emails.
This is simply not true.
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This is simply not true.
It is true, they've obtained a warrant to examine the emails. That is a criminal probe.
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But if he was a Democrat and didn't go public then he'd catch the same **** from the Republicans. His party affiliation would make no difference, except perhaps from the amount of **** he would catch.
Definitely. Never said otherwise. I posted earlier that Comey is currently catching flack from both parties. Predominantly the GOP of course cause their candidate is losing.

I'm implying partisanship in this particular case because of the particular current circumstances.
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Definitely. Never said otherwise. I posted earlier that Comey is currently catching flack from both parties. Predominantly the GOP of course cause their candidate is losing.

I'm implying partisanship in this particular case because of the particular current circumstances.
So throw out pretty much all you've said already, since you just admitted that his party affiliation would be irrelevant to his desire to cover his ass. Now what are these particular current circumstances?
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It is true, they've obtained a warrant to examine the emails. That is a criminal probe.
Obtaining a warrant to examine emails does not make it a criminal probe. If via the warrant they find something damaging then a criminal investigation will be opened.
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