Flat Earth Uprising?

P A N · 11-07-2016, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I'm ashamed at myself for continuing to feed this Goblin....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_S...%C3%A1n_Elcano

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amunds...ole_expedition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Peary

flat earthers can draw too. just look.

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edit: this is magellan's voyage on the flat earth map.

**Frownland** · 11-07-2016, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by P A N

looking up won't help figure out what is down.

In terms of understanding the reality that gas can gather around a planet in a similar way to our own tells us a lot. Also, looking at other planets gives us a better idea of what the realities of physics are, as opposed to simply earth-centric physics (though this is often simply in the numbers).

The Batlord · 11-07-2016, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by P A N

looking up won't help figure out what is down.

Unless there's a mirror on the ceiling cause you're in a sleazy hotel and want to see yourself buttfucking a hooker. Aha!

Chula Vista · 11-07-2016, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by P A N

flat earthers can draw too.

So can one year olds.

This picture had 1000 times more validity than that ridiculous map. So, we know for a fact that our moon is round. The sun is round. The other planets and moons are round. We know that the moon and our satellites orbit the earth in a circular fashion. We know the planets orbit the sun in a circular fashion.

Round, round, round, round. Are you saying the earth is retarded?

The Batlord · 11-07-2016, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

So can one year olds.

This picture had 1000 times more validity than that ridiculous map. So, we know for a fact that our moon is round. The sun is round. The other planets and moons are round. We know that the moon and our satellites orbit the earth in a circular fashion. We know the planets orbit the sun in a circular fashion.

Round, round, round, round. Are you saying the earth is retarded?

Evidence does seem to point to that conclusion.

P A N · 11-07-2016, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

In terms of understanding the reality that gas can gather around a planet in a similar way to our own tells us a lot. Also, looking at other planets gives us a better idea of what the realities of physics are, as opposed to simply earth-centric physics (though this is often simply in the numbers).

i can understand that point of view for sure. i believed we lived on a ball for a real long time and was/am very interested in how the universe works. but in terms of understanding whether we're on a flat plane or a ball, we don't need to look at jupiter. particularly bearing in mind that if the earth is flat, it brings in the question of intelligent design. if the universe was designed then the sky could be anything. figuring out if it's flat is a good place to start.

that's why i don't wanna talk about jupiter. as a flat earther, i can only guess and imagine. it's a hard position to be in, i'm not gonna lie. and i'm not here to troll. i started this by trying to debunk the flat earth theory myself, and in doing so i learned that there are certain things that i have to be okay with when they simply remain a mystery. i am asking questions about things we think we know so i can point out that we haven't been looking at this logically.

**Frownland** · 11-07-2016, 11:14 AM

What's the evidence for it? If you only cite your..."logic"...that globe theory is wrong, know that this is not evidence of a flat earth, so let's hear your strongest argument.

P A N · 11-07-2016, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

What was the last question you asked?

i'm gonna do an update of where we are. I'll list the questions and their answers.

1st question: How far away is the horizon?
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Originally Posted by The Batlord

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon

2nd question: Can a situation or experiment be cited as evidence that an enclosed system of gases can exist within a vacuous surrounding without a barrier or seal?
Answer: "Gravity"

personally, i'm not happy with the answer on the second one. gravity cannot be proven to exist. it is accepted as fact, which is very different from being fact. the reason we need gravity is so we don't fall off the ball. to a flat earther, this translates to "we need an imaginary force to describe the utterly anomalous ball-earth characteristics such as curved water and a gas existing next to a vacuum." obviously, i asked this question to say this. there is no other example of gasses existing next to vacuums that we can test. we rely on the space program for this knowledge.

i guess the third question is ready, then.

the atmosphere is said to work like a lens in terms of how sunlight passes through it. how is light supposed to behave when it enters through the convex side of a lens and exits the concave side?

**Janszoon** · 11-07-2016, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by P A N

you're right. it would be very silly to say it doesn't exist. but like i said, i'll be getting into jupiter later. the only thing i'm saying about it is that just because it's there, doesn't mean it is exactly what we're told it is. this isn't a cop out at all. i can't cover everything in a day, and frankly, no one is doing me the courtesy of answering my questions directly, so i don't particularly feel the need to abide by your expectations. i'm not looking to convert anyone. i just want to talk about it. the tenacity of some of this site's long-standing members in ridicule and conclusions about people who think differently than them is not classy, and i'm doing things how i see fit in light of such behaviour. you can label that what you want.

but as far as labels go, and to bring light to the fact that i'm thinking logically in terms of jupiter, i'll say that bringing up jupiter at all in terms of determining the shape of the earth is a two logical fallacies. one being a false dilemma: we're looking at jupiter as existing in planet form or not existing at all, and the inquiry ends there. the second is a fallacy of division, in that your logic follows that because jupiter is a planet earth must be a planet as well. the second fallacy - to me - suggests that we should look for plenty of proof of the shape of the earth, right from the surface of it, without considering celestial bodies at all.

There’s a difference between thinking differently and believing in things that are verifiably false. Since you appear to be serious about believing in things that are verifiably false, I’m afraid you’re going to be in the position of having people not take you seriously.

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Originally Posted by P A N

remember that time i started that thread about the fact that i didn't know what a troll was? i know what it is now, but admittedly, i'm not the best at spotting them. like, are you joking?

it's basically a yes or no question. if you're on an infinite flat plane and above you there is sky, is there a horizon?

Again, I already answered it. Try re-reading the post in which I did—read it out loud if you have to. Mull it over. Maybe read it a second or third time until the very simple concepts I mentioned finally sink in.

P A N · 11-07-2016, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

What's the evidence for it? If you only cite your..."logic"...that globe theory is wrong, know that this is not evidence of a flat earth, so let's hear your strongest argument.

well, it's a lot of different things. choosing one as the go-to is hard.

seeing independent video footage (from hot air balloons) of a flat horizon at 122,000 feet is pretty monumental, i'd say. the flat horizon always rises to meet the eye of the (independent) observer. watch the felix bomgartner red bull space jump. you'll see tonnes of curvature there.

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the compare the edges of the capsule from the one in space to one of it on the ground. curved vs. straight = fisheye in the stratosphere.

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another thing is the ships going over the horizon thing. you can literally watch a ship appear to go over the horizon - starting to disappear from the bottom up - with your naked eye, and then use a telescope to bring it back into view. this ties into how far away the horizon is based on the circumference of the earth. there is definitely a way to calculate it, and we can definitely see farther than we should be able to.

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