Fake presidential candidates polling high in the US

Key · 10-12-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I think the point is that dirty liberal Obama signed it so it's bad.

I think you mean black.

Key · 10-12-2016, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite

To answer both of your questions; it allows local law enforcement to legally send statistics and personal details about an individual up to a federal level that would otherwise be locked under privacy laws, all in the name of "improving community relations."

So?

BlackMalachite · 10-12-2016, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

So?

You really don't see an issue with the federal government just being able to pry anyone's information at a whim?

**Frownland** · 10-12-2016, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite

To answer both of your questions; it allows local law enforcement to legally send statistics and personal details about an individual up to a federal level that would otherwise be locked under privacy laws, all in the name of "improving community relations."

I didn't see that in the executive report. Which locked up statistics are we talking about here? Are these those infamous gun crime research papers?

Key · 10-12-2016, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite

You really don't see an issue with the federal government just being able to pry anyone's information at a whim?

I don't see how you're assuming they're going to do it to just anybody.

BlackMalachite · 10-12-2016, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I didn't see that in the executive report. Which locked up statistics are we talking about here? Are these those infamous gun crime research papers?

Not even related to gun crimes, just information in general. I understand that the Govt is always going to have access to things such as your birthday, nationality, physical characteristics, etc. With this though, they could arguably (which is lovingly left out of the EO), profile at a federal level based on information they're not even supposed to have.

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Originally Posted by Ki

I don't see how you're assuming they're going to do it to just anybody.

It's not that they're going to, it's about the fact that they have the power to.

Also I'm not saying Obama's all bad (I enjoyed his speech on how we need to stop coddling college students for example), I'm just not happy with how certain things have turned out under his presidency.

Key · 10-12-2016, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite

It's not that they're going to, it's about the fact that they have the power to.

Believe it or not, a lot of our personal information isn't as locked down tight as you'd like to think.

BlackMalachite · 10-12-2016, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Believe it or not, a lot of our personal information isn't as locked down tight as you'd like to think.

While that may be the case, at least if they access it and use the information against you, you have the ability in the court of law to say they obtained that information illegally and have their case thrown out. This EO arguably creates a loophole in that it's considered legal for this new task force to obtain information, and thus is technically unconstitutional and morally bankrupt (while masquerading as something that's supposed to be beneficial)

Key · 10-12-2016, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite

While that may be the case, at least if they access it and use the information against you, you have the ability in the court of law to say they obtained that information illegally and have their case thrown out. This EO arguably creates a loophole in that it's considered legal for this new task force to obtain information, and thus is technically unconstitutional and morally bankrupt (while masquerading as something that's supposed to be beneficial)

Are there factual examples of this causing any trouble for individuals?

BlackMalachite · 10-12-2016, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Are there factual examples of this causing any trouble for individuals?

I can't tell you off of the top of my head, I'd have to do more research. To my knowledge there haven't been any news making cases involving this, but that could be because something like this might not be newsworthy.