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View Poll Results: Your vote for US president
Donald Trump 10 32.26%
Hillary Clinton 8 25.81%
Other 13 41.94%
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:39 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Two candidates who didn't stand a chance, who didn't earn a single electoral vote, who may have had 46% of their votes go to Clinton if they hadn't been on the ticket is my point.
Too much "might" without any grounding in reality.
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:40 PM   #142 (permalink)
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Two candidates who didn't stand a chance, who didn't earn a single electoral vote, who may have had 46% of their votes go to Clinton if they hadn't been on the ticket is my point.

Again, Gore would have won Florida in 2000 if not for Nobody-Nader.
That's not a valid explanation as it just vaguely hints that Clinton MAY have had a winning majority stolen from her without any actual math to back it up. Don't be wishy washy. How would Libertarian votes have gone to a Democrat?

And you're totally what's wrong with the two-party system. You will never support a third party cause there will always be the threat of a spoiler candidate, and so the cycle repeats itself ad nauseum until Coke and Pepsi have a bloody civil war for control of America.
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:43 PM   #143 (permalink)
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:45 PM   #144 (permalink)
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And you're totally what's wrong with the two-party system. You will never support a third party cause there will always be the threat of a spoiler candidate, and so the cycle repeats itself ad nauseum until Coke and Pepsi have a bloody civil war for control of America.
Been telling him this for months. Ain't gonna stick.

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Old 11-09-2016, 01:45 PM   #145 (permalink)
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I'm not going to repeat myself any more.
You haven't said anything of value. Do the ****ing math, you bitter conspiracy theorist, or stop talking. Or stop drinking.
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Independent voters have a mix of both right and left ideologies. It should be assumed that every independent is not the same as other independents.
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:50 PM   #147 (permalink)
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Two candidates who didn't stand a chance, who didn't earn a single electoral vote, who may have had 46% of their votes go to Clinton if they hadn't been on the ticket is my point.

Again, Gore would have won Florida in 2000 if not for Nobody-Nader.
Not everyone wants Clinton to be president. Not everyone even agrees that she's the lesser evil.
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:07 PM   #148 (permalink)
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Two candidates who didn't stand a chance, who didn't earn a single electoral vote, who may have had 46% of their votes go to Clinton if they hadn't been on the ticket is my point.

Again, Gore would have won Florida in 2000 if not for Nobody-Nader.
What comes around goes around. Didn't Clinton use Ross Perot to siphon votes from George H. W. Bush? (or at least benefit from him running?) The night before the election the news had Pennsylvania solidly in Hillary Clinton's column, which didn't pan out for her. Then went on how Trump had an uphill battle to win all the flip states while at the same time keeping all the Romney/Paul states. You can play Monday night quarterback with the intentions of Floridian Libertarians, but it was the Rust Belt that rallied behind Trump gave him the presidency.
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So if I'm a libertarian I should vote for Clinton or Trump because voting for the candidate I like the most would be pointless? Ah. I see.
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Two candidates who didn't stand a chance, who didn't earn a single electoral vote, who may have had 46% of their votes go to Clinton if they hadn't been on the ticket is my point.
Your math is wrong here though. She'd need much more than just 46% of those votes to win:

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To win Florida, Clinton would've had to gather ~74% of those Johnson/Stein votes. Even if you think the voters for those parties would lean towards choosing her, that's quite a large portion to say for certain.
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