What's everyone listening to while this shit goes down? I've got Swordfishtrombones on.

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Never has my avatar been more appropriate for a discussion.. This poor country.

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You lucky Canadian bastard.

We have a ****tier leader than you do, my dude.

Based oof of who's winning the current states before they are official, Trump wins.

Explain further.

lol. Are you kidding? The Republican history of pandering to Christians is an excellent example of PC culture. Their suppression of the press during the Bush administration's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are great examples of trying to control free speech. "Having such a ridiculous hubris that they assumed that even one of the most corrupt politicians of all-time could get in office," is a great description of a party that nominated a scumbag businessman for the highest office in the land. And "putting feelings over facts" is exactly what the Trump campaign was all about. Do you seriously think "make America great again" was about facts? lol

Fear is an emotion. Censoring free speech is a common trait of the right (not universal but it isn't for the left either).

And blaming the left as a whole for Hillary's nomination is just forgetful.

With that said, congratulations, President Pence!

Justin Trudeau is a moron and has yet to do anything worthy of my support. He was only voted in because we all hated Stephen Harper so much and wanted to ensure he wasn't re-elected again. Trudeau has yet to demolish Bill C-51 (despite it being one of his biggest promises) and is trying to pass Bill C-16 which I disagree with.

I disagree but to be fair it's 1am and I wasn't prepared for a debate on the topic so I'll just leave it.

I'm not trying to defend the right or Trump though, I'm just saying this is what happens when you take things to the extremes.

^ Americans, I presume, as I don't suppose the Japanese feel an emotional involvement with this election?

^ Yes, sorry. That was a rather false glimmer of hope, I'm afraid.

^ Yeah, I thought that was funny. Everyone is asking about visas already. Authorities report that one panicky caller, identified only as "Janszoon", has made over a hundred inquiries in the last hour.

It's hilarious that you think the US has ever been even remotely extreme left in any of our lifetimes.

The US as a whole hasn't, but the left side is being overrun by extremists. I'm not denying that extremists exist on both sides of the spectrum, but their prominence on the left alongside the role that it is playing in mainstream media is simply turning people away from them.

When things like this start to happen:

Missouri email tells students to call police if feelings are hurt from hate speech

The Protests at Amherst College - The Atlantic

people begin to see the left is fighting against their own freedoms.

People are tired of being told what to think and being called racist/sexist/homophobic w/e else for disagreeing with these skewed perceptions of reality and that's evident in the outcome of this election. Obviously Trump isn't a good choice for president, but people like that he's loud, brash and not afraid to actually speak his mind instead of dancing around the issues in fear of offending somebody.

I think that ott reporting is worse than the small faction of American "liberals" that make sexier news stories than rational adults.

lol. Talk about putting feelings over facts. Let's move past your feelings about students at a couple universities, here are some facts:

• The US has three equally powerful branches of government.
• For most of the 21st century, 2/3-3/3 of those branches have been right-wing.
• Until the death of Justice Antonin Scalia earlier this year, the government was 2/3 right-wing.
• Now, with a split supreme court, it's closer to 50/50, though the "left" in the US is very much center-left.
• The right-wing controlled legislative branch has, to use your words, such "ridiculous hubris" that they have crippled the top level of the judicial system for nearly a year because they're unwilling to even attempt to work with anyone who isn't right-wing.

So how exactly is the "extreme left"—who frankly don't exist on any side of the equation here—the problem?

I'm talking about the supporters, not the government. The point is that this new age left has turned people away from the party to the point that they would actually consider voting for Donald Trump to be a reasonable option.

This was an election that had very little to do with any sort of policies either politicians had to offer, I'm sure we can agree on that?

I'm talking about the reality of living in the US, not your perception of some college students.

But you were arguing my point... that I made... I'm not sure what the point is of starting an argument just to move the topic.

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The supporters of whom? You're seriously saying "The Left" is now so extremely PC that they don't acknowledge terrorism and that would lead them to voting for Trump?

Huh.

It is pretty sad that people would be willing to vote like a right dumbass just because they have such little exposure to the left that they think the extreme (remember, a ridiculously small segment of what we call the left) defines the whole.

It's absolutely as absurd as touting all conservatives as racists.

Actually true...

I'm very, very worried.

World leaders are greeting Trump's win by sending formulaic messages of "we look forward to working with...", but the world press is more outspoken about the election result. The most extreme is an Indian newspaper, with "This Is The World's Worst Headline: Trump Is President." Other papers aren't quite so dramatic, but there is no praise or enthusiasm for the result anywhere, as far as I can see:-

US election: World media digests Trump election win - BBC News

Also, I'm sad to see that Trump is winning in our own MB poll. :(

I had hoped and hoped we had enough intelligent people in this country to see us through, but I can't say I didn't see this coming. The whole world is prepping for a big showdown. Country after country are electing conservative demagogues. Prepare for a rough next few years.

Republicans won the house and senate too.

I wasn't too worried about Trump but we're absolutely ****ed now that we have a goddamned trio on our hands.

We all thought this was the end of the Republican party, but really it was the end of the Democrats. Democrats control nothing but municipal bull****. And this isn't just the right that controls the house and senate - it's Trump's right.

I shutter to think what's coming down the pike. The world is overdue for a giant ****storm.

I don't think so. It's almost guaranteed that a Democrat will win in four years.

4 years is not a short amount of time and Democrats have a lot of reckoning to do. Hillary and the DNC shot themselves in the foot so many times. There was no need for the DNC to mess with the primaries to block Bernie. If the data is to be believed, she would have received the nomination anyway - but everyone got stuck with the feeling that someone they didn't even want got the nomination. Hillary had both a moral and professional edge on Trump, there was no need for her to constantly lie and do things she had to know would seem shady.

If we had a Democrat majority, I would say the Republicans have a chance to recover since the Dems always seem to want to welcome this problem child back into the fold. Republicans are going to take this majority and not just run with it...they are also going to chop of the legs of the Dems and piss on them as they run by. Maybe the Dems will survive the onslaught, but I'm really not hopeful.

Valid points, I guess it'll come down to what Trump's ratings are like to be absolutely sure, but I still think it'll swing that way.

One positive I can see coming from this is the scaling back of the executive branch's powers. Bush and Obama really amplified the pull that the president has, and we shouldn't try to be a monarchy.

I agree, but it was a result of the incredibly obstructionist attitude the right took towards Obama. His strategy seemed to play out ok for a while, but now I fear what he's opened the door to.

I hope you are right, though. But I've gone from wary optimism to straight up cynicism. The world is ****ed. If it's not, it will be a pleasant surprise.

What do you mean by that? What do you think Trump's right is?

Trump's right imo is pretty damn moderate and middle of the road and that's another reason why the Republican party denounced him along with all of his outbursts.

He doesn't even end up agreeing with his VP. His VP is traditional establishment Republican but Trump isn't.

You think the Brietbart crowd is moderate? :eek:

So Trump's right is the Alt-right?

Based off of things that I've heard him say in some of the debates and his speeches. He seems to have a moderate position when it comes to some social issues.

Saying that women who have abortions need to be punished is not a moderate view on social issues.