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Frownland 11-09-2016 09:51 AM

TPP is the only thing I think he's liberal on, and he only opposes it out of contrarianism.

Bernie would have mopped the floor with him.

musiclover73 11-09-2016 09:57 AM

I'm a die hardcore Jesus Christ freak! However I believe in pro-choice especially when it is rape.

Chula Vista 11-09-2016 10:09 AM

Well, looks like my son is going to lose his much needed health insurance. And I see that Vladimir Putin has already gone public praising Trump's victory.

I'm absolutely stunned this morning. I was too drunk to fully feel it late last night but it's totally set in now. A GOP trifecta is beyond terrifying. Roe v Wade, Social Security, women's rights, fair taxes, our political standing with our allies, our own economy, and the Separation of Church and State are all in major jeopardy as we move forward.

These past few weeks I've lost all faith in the American Justice System. And as of today I think I've lost all faith in the common sense of the American people.

The Batlord 11-09-2016 10:11 AM

My rational brain is horrified by this, but the desensitized cynic in me is laughing his ass off. This cunt of a country has just made its own bed and deserves to lie in it. If the right ends up regretting their decision to vote for this clown then whatever but in the meantime they get to bathe in this **** right along with everyone they've forced it upon, and this pleases me. I now get to sit back and watch in antisocial amusement as the human race self-destructs, contemptuous of the ignorant masses who would vote for "The Donald".

And people wonder why I could give a **** about voting? Maybe it's cause the people I share this country with aren't worth the effort.


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-G...z63c/photo.jpg

Frownland 11-09-2016 10:13 AM

I'm glad you didn't get alcohol poisoning, Chula.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1767409)
My rational brain is horrified by this, but the desensitized cynic in me is laughing his ass off.

^

Paedantic Basterd 11-09-2016 10:20 AM

Soooo, that happened.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-09-2016 10:22 AM

This sums up when I was trying to get at last night Trump Won Because Leftist Political Correctness Inspired a Terrifying Backlash - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Obviously it isn't the only reason, but I think it's a fair point and I stand by it.

Frownland 11-09-2016 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1767420)
Obviously it isn't the only reason, but I think it's a fair point and I stand by it.

I don't deny that it's what pushed a lot of people to vote for Trump. However, the fact that it's basically an imaginary monster still stands.

Chula Vista 11-09-2016 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1767411)
I'm glad you didn't get alcohol poisoning, Chula.

Let's put it this way, I'm already sipping my first R+C of the day to calm the shakes. Clinton with her cracker jack campaign and all its money lost focus on the people who ultimately brought her down. She won all of the districts she was suppose to win but lost in just enough of the rural areas to flip the swing states.

Paedantic Basterd 11-09-2016 10:28 AM

There's an entire psychological phenomenon where if you make two groups out of people, then divide them on issues that are dripping with emotional baggage, you polarize both sides. This has been happening for years, and it's why we have both privileged college students protesting about cafeteria sushi on their campuses and why an openly racist, ableist, sexist oopma loompa with a cheese danish for hair was elected to represent you.

I haven't been this disappointed since Stephen Harper got the majority the first year I was able to vote.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-09-2016 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1767423)
I don't deny that it's what pushed a lot of people to vote for Trump. However, the fact that it's basically an imaginary monster still stands.

I think it's pretty ****ed up that we got to the point where people saw as the only alternative. On the bright side, this meme made me laugh.

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...93&oe=58CAC89E

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-09-2016 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1767429)
There's an entire psychological phenomenon where if you make two groups out of people, then divide them on issues that are dripping with emotional baggage, you polarize both sides. This has been happening for years, and it's why we have both privileged college students protesting about cafeteria sushi on their campuses and why an openly racist, ableist, sexist oopma loompa with a cheese danish for hair was elected to represent you.

I haven't been this disappointed since Stephen Harper got the majority the first year I was able to vote.

****. That. Guy.

Frownland 11-09-2016 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1767430)
I think it's pretty ****ed up that we got to the point where people saw as the only alternative.

It is weird though, since Hillary doesn't really represent that faction of the left...at all really.

But what can I say, people put feelings (fear) over facts and voted in a jackass.

The Batlord 11-09-2016 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1767426)
Let's put it this way, I'm already sipping my first R+C of the day to calm the shakes. Clinton with her cracker jack campaign and all its money lost focus on the people who ultimately brought her down. She won all of the districts she was suppose to win but lost in just enough of the rural areas to flip the swing states.

If I didn't have to be at work at 5am tomorrow I'd be there with you. Think I've got a couple beers lying around somewhere I might cozy up to though.

Paedantic Basterd 11-09-2016 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1767433)
But what can I say, people put feelings (fear) over facts and voted in a jackass.

I'm just as worried about what this says about 50% of the American people as I am about the political ramifications. I'm worried that those 50% see this as validation for hateful treatment of others, for discrimination, prejudice, and violence. After Brexit there was a spike in hate crimes, and I expect to see the same in the coming months.

I'm shell-shocked that 50% of America openly said "Yes, this spiteful, hateful, violent, impulsive man speaks for me" last night.

Chula Vista 11-09-2016 10:35 AM

This reminds me so much of 2000. Of the nearly 3,000,000 people who voted for Ralph Nader that year the vast majority, when asked during exit polls, said they would have voted for Gore if Nader wasn't running. Bet it's the same this year with Johnson and Clinton.

It's no coincidence that Gore won the popular vote in 2000 and Clinton is going to win it this year. It's also no coincidence that Nader didn't win a single electoral vote and the same goes for Johnson.

Kinda ****ed up if you think about it.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-09-2016 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1767433)
It is weird though, since Hillary doesn't really represent that faction of the left...at all really.

But what can I say, people put feelings (fear) over facts and voted in a jackass.

I agree with both of those things, to some extent. I don't know many people (except Chula) that voted Hillary because they liked her, it was more just to avoid a Trump presidency.

Frownland 11-09-2016 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1767440)
This reminds me so much of 2000. Of the nearly 3,000,000 people who voted for Ralph Nader that year the vast majority, when asked during exit polls, said they would have voted for Gore if Nader wasn't running. Bet it's the same this year with Johnson and Clinton.

It's no coincidence that Gore won the popular vote in 2000 and Clinton is going to win it this year. It's also no coincidence that Nader didn't win a single electoral vote and the same goes for Johnson.

Kinda ****ed up if you think about it.



Dude. Look at their stances. If anything Johnson stole votes from Trump.

Paedantic Basterd 11-09-2016 10:38 AM

During the 2015 Canadian election, the Liberal government unseated the Conservatives in my riding by 12 votes. 12 votes, and a man who had governed our city for 25 years was looking for a new job. I could slap anybody who doesn't take the power of their own vote seriously.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-09-2016 10:38 AM

Liberterians who support Johnson would vote Trump over Clinton, without a doubt in my mind.

Chula Vista 11-09-2016 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1767442)
Dude. Look at their stances. If anything Johnson stole votes from Trump.

Nah. Most people vote for the alternative to the 2 major parties not based on stances, but instead out of protest against the right and the left. Deep down they realize that their vote isn't going to elect a president. But they can feel like they bucked the system regardless.

The Batlord 11-09-2016 10:40 AM

lol@ libertarians voting for a democrat

Blank. 11-09-2016 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1767447)
Nah. Most people vote for the alternative to the 2 major parties not based on stances, but instead out of protest against the right and the left. Deep down they realize that their vote isn't going to elect a president. But they can feel like they bucked the system regardless.

I would agree with this, but this election Johnson really got his message out there and gained supporters.

Frownland 11-09-2016 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1767447)
Nah. Most people vote for the alternative to the 2 major parties not based on stances, but instead out of protest against the right and the left. Deep down they realize that their vote isn't going to elect a president. But they can feel like they bucked the system regardless.

If Jill Stein had Johnson's numbers, I'd say that it's very likely that third parties handed the vote to Trump. However, Johnson's ideals align far more with Trump's than with Clinton's. Whatever votes he did steal from Clinton were not in great enough numbers to even be significant.

Chula Vista 11-09-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1767456)
If Jill Stein had Johnson's numbers, I'd say that it's very likely that third parties handed the vote to Trump. However, Johnson's ideals align far more with Trump's than with Clinton's. Whatever votes he did steal from Clinton were not in great enough numbers to even be significant.

Clinton lost Florida by 120K votes. Johnson and Stein got a combined 260K votes.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-09-2016 10:58 AM

This was the best thing to come out of Gary Johnson's run.


Frownland 11-09-2016 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1767479)
Clinton lost Florida by 120K votes. Johnson and Stein got a combined 260K votes.

And Johnson's portion of that dwarfs Stein's.

I know being sanctimonious is fun and trendy today but you should attempt considering facts.

The Batlord 11-09-2016 11:08 AM

OMG not at all looking forward to Thanksgiving with my right wing family. Either I'm gonna have to bite my tongue till it falls right out of my mouth or tell them that I hope their section of the country gets hunted down by ISIS.

Frownland 11-09-2016 11:10 AM

My grandma is patting herself on the back for voting Trump, citing a silent majority. Nah guys, you were loud as **** (also your California red vote didn't count for ****).

The Batlord 11-09-2016 11:12 AM

I think I might get my grandfather a boxset of the first season of The Apprentice for Christmas. Then maybe the reality of what he's just done will sink in.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-09-2016 11:14 AM

Make him watch this (skip to 40s for the Donald)


The Batlord 11-09-2016 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1767498)
Make him watch this (skip to 40s for the Donald)


https://media.giphy.com/media/GfAD7B...facebook_s.jpg

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-09-2016 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1767504)

That man is the ****ing president of the US.

https://img.ifcdn.com/images/8f41bba...ea33c415_1.jpg

The Batlord 11-09-2016 11:27 AM

I think him challenging Barbara Boxer to a cage match over healthcare reform couldn't embarrass this country any more than it has been in the last 24 hours, so I say bring it on.

Frownland 11-09-2016 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1767510)
I think him challenging Barbara Boxer to a cage match over healthcare reform couldn't embarrass this country any more than it has been in the last 24 hours, so I say bring it on.

Obama has allegedly invited Trump to the whitehouse.



Some **** is gonna go down. Obama's luring him in and Biden's just gonna jump the mother****er.

The Batlord 11-09-2016 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1767514)
Obama has allegedly invited Trump to the whitehouse.



Some **** is gonna go down. Obama's luring him in and Biden's just gonna jump the mother****er.

It kinda sounds like Trump just admitted to liking rough, gay sex.

Frownland 11-09-2016 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1767515)
It kinda sounds like Trump just admitted to liking rough, gay sex.

Not even Obama joining could curb how disgusting of Biden and Trump would be together.

Chula Vista 11-09-2016 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1767492)
but you should attempt considering facts.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1767447)
Most people vote for the alternative to the 2 major parties not based on stances, but instead out of protest against the right and the left. Deep down they realize that their vote isn't going to elect a president. But they can feel like they bucked the system regardless.

.

Frownland 11-09-2016 11:56 AM

Then why didn't Jill Stein get more votes if so many liberals are voting third party instead of for Clinton? Can you hear what I'm talking about or has the canon of "third party always makes the good guys lose" made you deaf?

Blank. 11-09-2016 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1767509)

He'd be a terrible president. You wouldn't even be able to see his presidency.


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