Thanks, Obama.

Haha

Did y'all see this statement from the photographer, Tyler Sheilds

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“I can’t speak for her, [but] I know she loves to stir the pot,” he said. “For me, I love the idea we have freedom of speech. The fact that I’m allowed to make an image like this says a lot. To me, that’s a powerful thing… nobody’s killed me for this image so it’s not that bad. I love Kathy and I hope they let me visit her in Guantanamo.”


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Lean into it Mr Big.

covfefe!

I often think of liberal celebrities as part-time Puritans. They can do whatever the heck they please. However if a conservative does the slightest thing wrong they out on a witch hunt.

I had a huge portrait of this in my office when we still had a building.

Just to remind me that no matter how badly I ****ed up, things could be worse.

There's only one person in all of history who can lay claim to being killed because a train fell on them.

Most people had "hang in there" kitty poster to help pull them through tough times, you found inspiration in the "Montparnasse derailment." Viva la Vista. Besides being a poster it was also an album cover.

Neo be smart. Or maybe it's just google crutches.

he made a typo

tried to say press coverage. but he didnt take the time to even see what he was telling the american people. its sad. hes really thought to light what its like in an old persons brain

that really divides america


you can say its Clinton News Network all day and then ill say but but FOX sucks trumps dick 24/7.... so theres two sides.

why divide things like that? nothing moves forward

Guess what they both suck. #edge

What we really need is an ANTIFA News Network. Every day would be like Halloween and I could dress up like a ninja!

Are you sure it was a typographical erfefe? Not some covert cloak and dagger stufefe?


Tried to say "brought to light." He didn't take the time to even see what he was telling the Music Banter people. It's sad. He's really brought to light what it's like in a mindful person's brain.

I was hoping you caught onto the Billy Sheenan/Paul Gilbert reference. It seems you're more worried about my knowledge of historical events and posters than of album covers and titles. :(

I was complimenting you for knowing what the picture depicted. Not many would. And yes, I'm aware of the album cover.

Even if I were to buy that, the conservative politicians who pretend climate change isn't a thing are still peddling a narrative that needs to be shot in the head and left dripping brain matter on the Capitol Hill steps. Even if liberal politicians are pushing bull**** policies toward climate change, the fact that they acknowledge that climate change exists makes a difference of about twelve light years.

I don't think the question is whether climate change is or isn't happening. But the answer to fighting it has less to do with Al Gore and what I quoted before was pointing out and more to do with the continued expansion of renewable energy technologies (which government has very little to do with). Whether or not the U.S. leads that particular effort is of little to no consequence.

I agree that most of the conservatives who won't acknowledge climate change at all need some serious re-education.

Oh. My. God. Have you been paying any attention at all to how the rest of the world, and a ****load of US top businesses have reacted to Trump's retarded decision to pull out of the Paris accord? You may have your own opinion but look at the big picture. This is absolutely a terrible move and shows just how much Trump doesn't get it.

The fallout from this will be long term.

His term is gonna be over before we are supposedly even officially pulling out. I guess if he's re-elected at that point you can worry about it then.

And yet the fallout has already started. When China and European countries align in condeming a US move, you know it's big.

TBH Anteater, I'm surprised to see you say that it's of little or no consequence whether the U.S. leads the effort to continue the expansion of renewable energy technologies.

Trump's decision to back out of the Paris Agreement is making headline news around the world, and I trust more the (yes, cherry-picked) opinions of these guys as to how important it is, than your suggestion that deciding what America's role will be is "of little or no consequence":-

Also, I don't understand why you post a message from an anonymous girl in a bikini who denegrates funding research into addressing climate change as a " shakedown...extracting billions of dollars of taxpayers' money", but then post your own opinion that the way to fight climate change is through "the continued expansion of renewable energy technologies."
Surely, the research of the former leads to the expansion of the latter. A recent example of this quite normal process might be the internet; original research funded by the taxpayer led to a technological expansion of considerable benefit to us all.
If the girl in the bikini is a friend of yours perhaps you'll ask her how she morally justifies scorning the cost of research while enjoying the benefits it brings.

Man, this is blowing up big time globaly. The guy appeased his 35% shrinking base while pissing on 190+ plus ally countries.

Countries now opposed to the Paris accord.

Syria
Nicaragua
United States

Wow! The USA has just joined a small club with a really embarrassing membership list. I wonder if they'll get invited to Mar-a-Lago to beef up their solidarity together.

And people wonder why we had Prohibition. Our rednecks are unionized.

To be fair, I think your rednecks have always brewed their own.

1. It really isn't of any consequence. Other than our GDP and obesity rates, what does the U.S. actually "excel at" over other countries right now? If your looking for the latest and greatest in environmental technology, most of that isn't being developed here. The only thing we can really boast about is that it's easier to establish a successful small business here than, say, Ireland or Germany.

2. The point of posting that anon message was to show there's two sides to every story. The truth is somewhere between the "cherry picked" opinions of the liberal elite and what was described in that post. Both sides have their respective agendas, and there's a lot of $$$ at stake. My opinion is a compromise between two extremes that each hold part of the truth.

3. The Internet would have never made it to the public without private enterprises who were willing to develop the things most people take for granted (like UX and UI related advances). Otherwise we'd still be stuck with massive magnetic tape mainframes in countless warehouses and we'd have a population far less educated about the internet that we do now (if things had gone a little differently). We all owe a big debt of gratitude to Tim Berners-Lee and others in that space for that.

4. The advances you are currently seeing in renewable energy research (especially the solar boom) are all because of the deregulation of those industries. As in, government pulling away so that people have more choice in the market. Here in north Texas, for example, there are a mix of regulated / deregulated areas and providers. I happen to live in an area that still hasn't been deregulated, so I don't get to choose to get my power from a more environmentally friendly provider or even install solar without going through fifty mountains of paperwork and hassle.

I hope we get taxed up the ass by every single country until we join everybody in Paris. I want this country to dip into the mud with only the strong keeping their heads above the dirt. Then, Trump can be publicly lynched, the middle of the country can be flamethrowered, and we can start anew with a brand new outlook on how to be a country.

I've never despised a person so much.

His chances of being re-elected in three years are looking ridiculously slim. Most of the independents who swung his way back in November will not give him the benefit of the doubt again. So you won't get a lynching, but you'll see the political equivalent of that in 2020.

Also, this is the best article I've read in quite a long time. And from Salon of all places.

Wake up, liberals: There will be no 2018 “blue wave,” no Democratic majority and no impeachment - Salon.com

Trump: I was elected to represent Pittsburgh, not Paris.

Mayor of Pittsburgh: **** you Trump. My city is going to follow the Paris accord guidelines.

Trump is getting roasted all across the board tonight by everyone except his zombies.

Wouldn't it be nice to see, just once, Trump make a decision with the ACTUAL people he presides over in mind? The sexual harassment stuff, the refusal to shake Merkels hand, the way he behaves on twitter, the way he pushes to be the center of attention everywhere he goes, the asinine and archaic beliefs he has, all that could be pushed aside if he didn't make every single decision since he was elected based on who he owes favors to and how much he has to gain from it. The president is not the CEO of his own company. He is elected to carry out the good of the people. Trump is only interested in what is good for himself.

I'll never understand the thought process some people had when they thought a businessman would be a good president. That's not how it works.

Amen.

Trump meets with Saudi Arabia and signs a $50 billion dollar weapons deal. Ivanka walks away with a $100 million dollar Saudi clothing distribution deal.

Obscene.

^ This point is something of a red herring isn't it? The real reason that Trump's decision is significant is this: with approx 2% of the world population, the USA generates approx 20%* of the world's carbon emissions. In terms of pollution per capita, America is one of the dirtiest countries on the planet. That's why America's presence at the Paris Agreement table is significant, and that's why people are calling Trump's decision "immoral." He's leaving the planet to pay the ecological bill so that his prefered industries can have an easy ride.

(* on tv last night I heard a figure of 30%, this morning I read a figure of 15%, so take your pick!)
^ Thank you for the insight that there are two sides to every story. I don't know why you subjected us to an anonymous rant against a non-existent "Church of Climate Change" in order to make such an elementary point. ^ Much of Tim Berners-Lee's work on the internet was done when he worked at CERN - in fact CERN boasts the world's very first web address. CERN is a project of international cooperation established by the governments of many European countries; it's not a private enterprise. Thus you seem to have undermined the point you were trying to make, unless you are taking the difficult-to-defend position that CERN would ever afterwards be content with "massive magnetic tape mainframes in countless warehouses" if private enterprise had not come to their rescue.
^ Don't know anything about regulation of US domestic industries, so I can't comment on this.

This is my line of work and I wish that mote states would deregulate the supply side so that people could have choice of who they use for their utilities. I also make solar panel referrals as well. Slowly more and more states have been opening up but I feel like with the current administration being so against green energy jobs and pushing more for coal. It might end up going the other way.

Considering what I bolded there, why do you disagree with what I said? The U.S. even during our previous administration wasn't really in a position to be the leader of renewable energy. We aren't as bad as India or some of the other developing countries, but we're still sucking at Big Oil's teat. Other countries are far ahead of us. Also, this incident with the Paris Accord has been blown out of proportion since its likely to be reversed in 2020 (or earlier) before any real implementation of a pull-out is achieved. Trump is making a big show about it, but he won't get his way long-term (as usual). Though if you read that Salon article...now there's a real problem to worry about: the fact Trump's opposition here in the U.S. is so disorganized and weak that he could stomp all over them again in three years.


If you don't see a problem in the Paris Accord where billions upon billions are spent but there's no accountability to where that money actually goes and what it's used for (like lining Elon Musk's pockets), then start with that and work your way through what I've said before. That anon post illustrates a legitimate concern even if the use of phrases "Church of Climate Change" are juvenile.

That's exactly the position I'm taking because that's reality. CERN was never going to popularize the use of the Internet or develop it into what we have today. That's where the free market came in and companies like PSINet, Compuserve, etc. stepped in to actually turn that technology into something viable for mass consumption. Lee would have never bothered to set up the W3C if that hadn't happened at the start of the '90's.

While it's not a great decision and one that will have a clear effect on the climate, it's not the end of all things as we know it just because we're not exactly following the Paris Agreement since there's plenty of room for alternatives in the future and it is not the be all end all of climate policy. It's also plainly obvious that the reasoning behind it is simply an effort to Ctrl+z Obama's presidency. I wholeheartedly disagree with the decision and think it's incredibly foolish, but y'all are like chickens running around with their heads cut off. Leading the way in regards to climate change would be an excellent idea, but it is not the only path towards effectual efforts against climate change and the only real impact here is entirely symbolic. There's a place for hysterical hyperbole and political discourse is not it. Well, ideally.

It's hard to say what's been lost. Personally, I think it's already game over from an environmental standpoint. We're not going to find an alternative to fossil fuel, we're obviously going to burn it all, then we won't have energy to combat our environmental devastation or just to sustain human life. Paris Accord or not we're ****ed. Or it depends on what you think ****ed is. You could also say we're lucky as ****. With hundreds of millions of years of solar energy fossilized for our ease of consumption we're probably living larger than any human beings ever had and ever will. We're like an NFL running back making 15 million a year who can't imagine he's going to be living on a hundred grand three years down the line. Headed for certain bankruptcy because there's no ****ing way in hell he'll ever adjust. Do we feel sorry for him? Not yet because we're still rolling big time.

What's the significance of the Paris Accord...the world just pretending to agree. Maybe a lot. Maybe it says we can at least visualize working together. Maybe I'm just an apocalyptic **** and there is a path. Maybe multiple realistic paths even. I don't think so but you know I'm just a ****ing troll, right? The Paris Accord was at least some kind of step possibly in the right direction. Maybe it still is for the rest of the world. How big a deal is it to intentionally walk out of step with the international community? Junior High girls don't like to be removed from the clique no matter how rich and pretty they are. People know intuitively you don't want to wander off too far or get isolated from the pack. Mother****ers get ****ed up. I'm not too keen on America going at it alone. I know we're all going to continue to pollute the **** out of the world. But since everyone else is pretending to care, shouldn't we?

I do think we should be participating in the agreement because something is better than nothing. My point is the way it's being reported as "Donald signs the world's death sentence" is too OTT. So is the downplaying on the other side.