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Frownland 01-19-2017 10:08 AM

lol mine is too

elphenor 01-19-2017 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1797290)
The reality is that Trump won the majority of the Electoral College, 304 to 227. The Electoral College is a system that has been established in the US Constitution and has been the reality of the United States of America for the past two hundred and forty years. It would be interesting to see what kind of reality you live in where you can blatantly ignore that.

This is like telling me water is wet

What does this have to do with the fact that Trump is not who the American people wanted objectively speaking

I do not point this out to say the election is illegitimate but to point out a simple fact of the matter

Chula Vista 01-19-2017 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 1797319)
The soon-to-be President called a massive news organization a bunch of liars in the middle of a nationally televised press conference. Representative of that organization asks for the opportunity to defend himself (we'll never know, but I suspect it would be to clarify that what they reported was that intelligence officials were briefing Trump on the dossier, as opposed to saying it was true - a distinction that the Brietbarts and Infowars of the world DO NOT make). The President-elect then continues to berate this reporter and calls on his good friends at **** Decency, This is the Internet (outrageous headlines from the President's favorite "journalists") for his next soft-pitch.

This isn't partisan for me. I lean left, but I'm hardly a Hillary or Bernie supporter. If Mike Pence was giving these press conferences he would let the question be asked and if was unfair, he would attack it. This is what rational humans do. Trump is plunging his tiny hands into the body politic, ripping out organs of the state, and severing connections between all the moving parts.

And to rebut Neapolitan's point, there are over 200 million registered voters. For ease of argument, let's say 200 million exactly (source). Donald Trump received 62,979,636 votes (let's call it 63 million - source). Therefore, 31.5% of eligible voters cast their ballots for him. But none of this matters when you look at approval ratings. Your choice goes from this person vs. this person to thoughts on a single person. Approval rating polls are conducted among voters and non-voters, Republicans, Democrats, and others.

What is a fact is that Donald J. Trump has historically low approval ratings for how the transition is being handled (source). Could have something to do with his know-nothing appointments to Housing and Urban Development (1:40-2:00 is a classic gaff, obviously not what he meant, but still), Education (Devoss), and, to a lesser extent, Health and Human Services.

You guys could take the tack of: 'yeah Donald Trump isn't really a Republican or conservative, but he won, so let's be vigilant when he oversteps and make ourselves heard so he shuts down his 3 AM twitter "diplomacy", but overall we need to support the President.' But instead I see a full-throated defense of many of his outrageous statements, actions, contradictions, and tantrums. That, I don't get.

Finally, I've made a couple of thorough responses to several of you in here that have not been replied to. Is MB just a place to make statements and have petty fights? If so, I'll stop attempting actual discourse. Just trying to figure out the how the culture has changed here.


Chula Vista 01-19-2017 11:48 AM

One thing I'd like to see changed is how the Senate is comprised. The "Two senators per state regardless of population" thing is just plain dumb.

Wyoming's two senators represent approx. 291 thousand people each.

California's two senators represent approx. 19.17 million people each.

Why should Wyoming have as much power voting on legislation, that will affect the entire country, as California?

That's a 66 to 1 ratio in population yet it's a 1 to 1 ratio in voting power?????

elphenor 01-19-2017 11:51 AM

I understand it with the Senate just not with the presidency

Or rather I disagree with the way it's implemented through the Electoral College

Frownland 01-19-2017 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1797365)
I understand it with the Senate just not with the presidency

Or rather I disagree with the way it's implemented through the Electoral College

Pretty much this.

Chula Vista 01-19-2017 03:52 PM

You got to be crazy, gotta have a real need
Gotta sleep on your toes, and when you're on the street
You got to be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed
And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight
You got to strike when the moment is right without thinking.

And after a while, you can work on points for style
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake
A certain look in the eye, and an easy smile

You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to
So that when they turn their backs on you
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.

You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder
You know it's going to get harder, and harder, and harder as you get older
Yeah, and in the end you'll pack up, fly down south
Hide your head in the sand
Just another sad old man
All alone and dying of cancer.

And when you lose control, you'll reap the harvest you have sown
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone
And it's too late to lose the weight you used to need to throw around
So have a good drown, as you go down, all alone
Dragged down by the stone.

elphenor 01-19-2017 06:53 PM

The big fish eat the little ones, the big fish eat the little ones
Not my problem, give me some

You can try the best you can, you can try the best you can
The best you can is good enough

Dinosaurs roaming the Earth

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-19-2017 06:59 PM

good song

The Batlord 01-19-2017 07:02 PM

Needs more cowbell.

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