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Chula Vista 06-24-2017 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1849538)
Every time you say something stupid (which is on par with Chula as far as frequency goes)

Every time you figure out a way to figuratively put Trump's dick in your mouth I lulz too.

PS: F-off.

Janszoon 06-24-2017 08:52 PM

Let's knock it off with the insults people.

Paul Smeenus 06-24-2017 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1849584)
PS: F-off.


What'd I do?????

Chula Vista 06-24-2017 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus (Post 1849588)
What'd I do?????

Just being too plain awesome and making everyone else seem sub par by comparison.

Anteater 06-24-2017 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1849584)
Every time you figure out a way to figuratively put Trump's dick in your mouth I lulz too.

PS: F-off.

Nice try, but hes gonna get eight years in office due to the incompetence of people your party elected, which is by far the biggest crisis you should be worrying about. So good for you I guess?

I enjoy "defending" (AKA, anything you disagree with) him partly because of reactions like yours.

Chula Vista 06-24-2017 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1849596)
Nice try, but hes gonna get eight years in office.

http://i.imgur.com/5BBWoGt.gif

And you refer to my posts a stup.......... Oooops, Janz asked us to play nice.

Have you actually been following things the last 5 months? The buyer's remorse keeps getting worse and worse. His approval ratings keep tanking. Yes, he's got a small rabid (wonder bread white, gun, bible, homophobic, anti muslim/mexican/black) base, but it's not going to sustain itself for the next 3.5 years.

He has control of the House and Senate and yet hasn't been able to get any significant legistlature through. His fellow GOP members are taking more and more steps away from him every day. Flynn (gone), Sessions, Spicer, Conway, and Pence come across as puppets, as does the rest of his staff. Did you catch that news conference last week where his entire staff licked his shoes one by one?

He's in the worst catch 22 with the Mueller investigation. He lets it go on, he's gonna lose. He fires him, he's gonna lose.

His lies are being exposed more and more day by day. He's pretty much alienated every US ally. On the world stage his best friend is Putin - the mob like leader of a country that's an enemy of our country.

And yet you keep doing what you do in his defense, and calling people who are critical of him, and don't agree with you, STUPID.

Mind blowing.

Anteater 06-24-2017 10:32 PM

What's mind blowing is that you are only seeing one part of the picture and minimizing everything else. That's how you get 8 years of Trump instead of 4: how much he lies or doesn't lie doesn't matter when the only strategy that the Democrats can come up with is "We hate Trump, but we love money just as much as the Republicans do. Vote for us!!111"

Mueller had over a year's worth of information from 11+ intelligence agencies at his disposal on the Trump / Russia investigation Day 1. Whether its about collusion, obstruction of justice or anything else....if there was anything truly compromising, it would have already made the news and Trump would already be on his way out. And yet he isn't. Think about it.

But you seem to think we're stuck in the 1970's despite the fact we live in an era where an FBI investigation that would normally take 3 years can be done in two to four months with all the tools they have at their disposal. That's a fatal flaw in your reasoning about this situation.

Here's the executive editor of Salon, a guy who probably knows a thing or two about politics that you don't. Happy reading.

Wake up, liberals: There will be no 2018 “blue wave,” no Democratic majority and no impeachment - Salon.com

OccultHawk 06-24-2017 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1849600)
You would have been a guy that says Civil Rights protesters don't convince anyone in the 50s-60s

But I agree insofar as I think violence is the answer

The only thing violence is going to get you is dead. Killed by people you try to defend. Violence might be the answer for some people but you ain't one of them.

Chula Vista 06-24-2017 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1849604)
Here's the executive editor of Salon, a guy who probably knows a thing or two about politics that you don't.

Don't tell me what I do and don't know. You are so ****ing beyond pretentious.

Salon is publishing opinions. I'm posting an opinion. Neither equate to facts.

My opinion is as valid as anyone's. Stop trying to put me down as stupid because mine doesn't align with yours. It's insulting to be honest.

OccultHawk 06-24-2017 10:49 PM

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It's insulting to be honest.
lol

Chula Vista 06-24-2017 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1849613)
lol

Good one!

:beer:

djchameleon 06-24-2017 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1849564)
The march was a waste of time, the pink hats were stupid, and anyone they were trying to convince of their position were not convinced because the whole thing was executed in a childish fashion, much like the man they're railing against. Similarly, nobody is convinced that gay marriage is wrong just because a bunch of ignorant Christian businessowners decide to scream on social media collectively and boycott Ben & Jerrys or whatever.

I had this conversation a few days ago. Those types of marches aren't for trying to convince others of their positions. It can definitely seem like it is pointless to those that don't agree with their position but it more about rallying their base that is already in their bubble.

Also those bunch of Christian business owners that refuse service to gay couples are backed up by law in certain places. So it isn't just their ignorant opinion when they have the law on their side to discriminate against a group of people they don't like. Honestly, I don't get why gay couples would want to spend their money making someone rich that doesn't align with their values. **** them if they don't want to cater your event. Take your spending power elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1849600)
You would have been a guy that says Civil Rights protesters don't convince anyone in the 50s-60s

But I agree insofar as I think violence is the answer

There isn't enough people on board for violence to be effective. People in general are way too comfortable with their status quo. They aren't desperate enough.

Anteater 06-24-2017 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1849612)
Don't tell me what I do and don't know. You are so ****ing beyond pretentious.

Lol. I've been lectured on countless occasions on just this thread alone on topics ranging from business to economics to whatever the hell else pops up peripherally to the ongoing Trump Saga...even though I'm probably the only guy on this forum who actually owns a business that serves other businesses, small and large alike. So I can take a little irony, but you are well beyond that point. You ignoring my core points and scoffing at Trump getting eight years and then getting mad when I direct you to an article written by a guy with 20+ years of political writing experience (who happens to be a liberal like yourself) is the epitome of pretentiousness. I'm showing you the train coming at you and you have basically decided to stand there and let it run you over.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1849621)
I had this conversation a few days ago. Those types of marches aren't for trying to convince others of their positions. It can definitely seem like it is pointless to those that don't agree with their position but it more about rallying their base that is already in their bubble.

Also those bunch of Christian business owners that refuse service to gay couples are backed up by law in certain places. So it isn't just their ignorant opinion when they have the law on their side to discriminate against a group of people they don't like. Honestly, I don't get why gay couples would want to spend their money making someone rich that doesn't align with their values. **** them if they don't want to cater your event. Take your spending power elsewhere.

That particular Women's March definitely fell in line more as a pure publicity stunt than a platform for different talking points, so I can agree with that assessment. Some fundraising went on throughout it as well.

As far as those Christian businessowners are concerned, I'd give the states still discriminating another decade (maybe a bit less) before they all have changed their tune due to certain inevitabilities. Good luck with their lawsuits at that point. :D

OccultHawk 06-24-2017 11:58 PM

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even though I'm probably the only guy on this forum who actually owns a business that serves other businesses, small and large alike.
Being a self-employed dicksucker doesn't count.

Anteater 06-25-2017 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1849627)
Being a self-employed dicksucker doesn't count.

If only it were that easy. But at least there's plenty of seasoned pros around here to show me how it's done. :wave:

Chula Vista 06-25-2017 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1849628)
If only it were that easy. But at least there's plenty of seasoned pros around here to show me how it's done. :wave:

Presentious 101.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3022/...91c75a70a2.jpg

You and Joe. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

How much do you pay your workers? What's your health care plan? How much paid sick time? How much paid vacation time? I get the impression that you are a total f-ing Trump like leach on your workers. But hey, it's legal so WTF? As long as YOU are making money, right?

Good for you dude. Rock on.

The Batlord 06-25-2017 03:36 AM

http://i.imgur.com/QDVikVf.png

Anteater 06-25-2017 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1849629)
Presentious 101.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3022/...91c75a70a2.jpg

You and Joe. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

How much do you pay your workers? What's your health care plan? How much paid sick time? How much paid vacation time? I get the impression that you are a total f-ing Trump like leach on your workers. But hey, it's legal so WTF? As long as YOU are making money, right?

Good for you dude. Rock on.

Pathetic. I've talked about what I do before and the vets I hire for six figure jobs in the U.S. tech sector. Am I supposed to do something about your memory problems too?

Janszoon 06-25-2017 07:42 AM

I'm temporarily closing this thread for people to cool down and back off on the personal attacks. If I see it showing up anywhere else on this site, the posts will be deleted.

Edit: I'm reopening this thread. It will remain open as long as everybody refrains from personal attacks and trolling.

djchameleon 07-10-2017 11:54 AM

Let's break down the events of G20.

Here are a few bullet points.

- Disappointment expressed about the US not being in the climate change agreement. Further solidifying that other countries no longer look to the US as the "leader of the free world". Merkel holds down that title now.

- Some discussion was had over steel production and of course Trump was promoting Fossil Fuels.

- he backed off a bit on his stance of being against NATO and wanting to pull out of NAFTA.

- He met with Putin and asked about interfering with US Elections. To which Putin replied no and started laughing like a maniacal villian.

- They also discuss creating a Cyber Security Unit which is basically like the Joker saying to The Riddler lets work in keeping Gotham safe now. Batman is fake news.

-He still sticks to his point that Mexico will absolutely pay for the wall.

-When it was over, he just skipped out of town with no news conference.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.da4751296c6d

Oh and the Nepotism fest continues, he had his daughter sitting in on meetings he should have attended.

Chula Vista 07-10-2017 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1854336)
Further solidifying that other countries no longer look to the US as the "leader of the free world".

This is being promoted by almost everyone right now. So sad. I'm truly upset about it.

Re: Russia - Putin laid a trap and Trump walked right into it. He got played like a violin.

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On paper, Vladimir Putin should not have had the upper hand going into the meeting.

To start with, Russia has been living with sanctions put in place more than three years ago because of their annexation of Crimea.

And most Americans, save a few people including the President of the United States, are confident that Putin led the Russian intervention into the American election and into many other elections around the world.

President Obama booted out nearly three dozen spies in December and closed two compounds, and there are many, from both parties, calling for an additional round of sanctions on Russia.

We should have had some leverage. So what happened?

To start with, the Russians are skilled public manipulators.

They know how to stage-manage and how to set the expectations for global events. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is a smooth operator who knows how to charm cameras and international audiences. He is visible at international events and followed by a gaggle of adoring state-run media. He also rarely shies away from answering questions, holding press conferences, or reading out meetings. He has been on the international scene as foreign minister for 13 years, and as the UN ambassador for 10 years before that, and it shows.

Putin may have less of a warm diplomatic bedside manner, but he understands the art of presentation and how to set a trap.

And set a trap is exactly what he just did.

The Russians telegraphed in advance of the meeting that their agenda was to 1) publicly mend the relationship, 2) gain a better understanding of US policy, and 3) discuss joint concerns over terrorism. They scored on all three.

Their previewing kept expectations low and made clear that there simply would not be enough time to talk about Ukraine.

And how did the United States preview the meeting and set the table for the most important diplomatic engagement this summer?

Just yesterday, President Donald Trump questioned the validity of American intelligence on foreign soil and then questioned whether other countries or actors were involved in the hacking.

But before that, H.R. McMaster, the President's national security adviser, previewed the meeting with President Putin by saying there was "no specific agenda -- it's really going to be whatever the President wants to talk about."

The problem is that the expectation-setting and previewing of important diplomatic meetings does more than just fill wire reports and cable air time. It sends the message about what the United States expects to accomplish, how prepared we are for the engagement and also puts the difficult topics on the table that are the core purpose of these meetings.

Immediately following the meeting, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appeared on television making clear that President Trump had repeatedly raised Russian meddling in the meeting. That sounded like a positive development until he said President Trump has decided to focus on "how do we move forward from something that may be an intractable disagreement at this point."

This statement was quickly followed by Foreign Minister Lavrov appearing on television to say that President Putin had denied involvement, Trump said reports of meddling were exaggerated and he accepted Putin's denials.

Leading American intelligence agencies, Republicans and Democrats in Congress and many members of his own administration are confident that the Russians intervened in the American election last year. But a simple assurance from President Putin overrides that.

You don't get a lot of shots at pressure in diplomacy. And after you've let your adversary off the hook, you certainly don't get to apply that pressure again. As far as the Russians are concerned, the public case is closed.

Queen of England 07-10-2017 01:30 PM

At this point I'm willing to bet money that we go to war with N Korea before the end of Trump's first term.

Any takers?

Chula Vista 07-10-2017 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Queen of England (Post 1854375)
At this point I'm willing to bet money that we go to war with N Korea before the end of Trump's first term.

Any takers?

I'm too afraid to bet.

One thing I don't quite get: All the military officials say an offensive military strike would be very bad. Pyongyang, which is where all of the serious infrastuture is located, and the only province that has electricity 24/7, is only 1,200 square miles.

Hiroshima is 350 square miles and that bomb was dropped over half a century ago.

So why would sneaking over and bombing the **** out of the basic skeleton of the country be "very bad"? Does it send a bad signal to any other country? Could NK actually recover? Would any sane person on the planet want them to?

Ever read about these places? Bad, bad, regime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_North_Korea

Cuthbert 07-10-2017 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Queen of England (Post 1854375)
At this point I'm willing to bet money that we go to war with N Korea before the end of Trump's first term.

Any takers?

You think it will happen that quickly?

djchameleon 07-10-2017 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1854397)
You think it will happen that quickly?

It won't he keeps feeding into the fear tactics from Fox News and other pundits.

Anteater 07-10-2017 03:47 PM

Putin's response was expected. The idea of a cybersecurity council is interesting if it gives us some measure of leverage in the future U.S. - Russo cyberwar though. The alternative, of course, is that Russia will just do whatever they want during the next election cycle (theoretically).

Mexico might end up paying for the wall if Trump can showcase the fully fleshed out "solar panel" blueprint which he allegedly is a big fan of. The amount of electricity it would generate could very well cover the costs plus make both countries additional money.

Lastly, the Comey story is getting more and more interesting. Especially since it looks like he's violated his own agency's rules in regards to at least four of the memos he "took" with him after being fired.

Comey’s private memos on Trump conversations contained classified material.

The Batlord 07-10-2017 03:52 PM

Anteater thinks Mexico is going to build the wall. lulz. was not even expecting the lulz

Anteater 07-10-2017 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1854438)
Anteater thinks Mexico is going to build the wall. lulz. was not even expecting the lulz

Do you know anything about the solar wall plans that have been proposed? It's a sound strategy.

Janszoon 07-10-2017 04:03 PM

Shouldn't Trump be proposing a coal powered wall?

Anteater 07-10-2017 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1854445)
Shouldn't Trump be proposing a coal powered wall?

Lulz. He may be skeptical of climate change, but he sees a green wall apparently...

Bloomberg News - Trump Says ‘Solar Wall’ on Mexican Border Would Pay for Itself

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 07-10-2017 04:14 PM

i thought mexico was paying for it? now it's going to pay for itself?

Frownland 07-10-2017 04:16 PM

If we legalize it and use the wall as a border-long grow site, Mexico will be begging to buy the wall from us at the old price.

Janszoon 07-10-2017 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1854448)
Lulz. He may be skeptical of climate change, but he sees a green wall apparently...

Bloomberg News - Trump Says ‘Solar Wall’ on Mexican Border Would Pay for Itself

He's obviously selling out to pussy hat wearing libbies. He was supposed to bring back coal.

The Batlord 07-10-2017 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1854455)
He's obviously selling out to pussy hat wearing libbies. He was supposed to bring back coal.

I'm sure there'll be enough for everybody in his stocking.

Chula Vista 07-10-2017 08:10 PM

Anteater believes the solar wall is a sound plan. :rofl:

The border is 1,989 miles long, the vast amjority of it crossing unihabited desert and mountain regions where there are no utility resources whatsover.

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...a4&oe=5A0130AE

Anteater 07-10-2017 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1854518)
Anteater believes the solar wall is a sound plan. :rofl:

The border is 1,989 miles long, the vast amjority of it crossing unihabited desert and mountain regions where there are no utility resources whatsover.

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...a4&oe=5A0130AE

Maybe you could, you know, read up a little on what you are talking about (some of the proposed designs, taking into account the length of the wall, etc.) before laughing it off. :rofl: :rofl:

You seriously underestimate the ingenuity of what these engineers come up with.

Chula Vista 07-10-2017 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1854522)
You seriously underestimate the ingenuity of what these engineers come up with.

Sure Ant. Sure.

DwnWthVwls 07-10-2017 09:46 PM

Im not gonna comment on the wall cause I havent read up on it, but dont you think they would build the infrastructure to supply the energy it gathers as the wall is also being built? Sometimes i feel like youd **** on Trump even if his ideas aligned with yours just to stay consistent.

Frownland 07-10-2017 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1854533)
Im not gonna comment on the wall cause I havent read up on it, but dont you think they would build the infrastructure to supply the energy it gathers as the wall is also being built? Sometimes i feel like youd **** on Trump even if his ideas aligned with yours just to stay consistent.

Pretty much on both of those things. Considering the magnitude of constructing the wall in the first place, establishing supporting infrastructure for transporting energy across more barren regions is a drop in the bucket regardless.

Anteater 07-10-2017 09:54 PM

Tell Chula the sky is blue and he'll tell you how that makes you a Trump apologist. :clap:

In other news, the collusion investigation remains interesting stuff. What I'm curious about is what's going to happen to that narrative when Trump's team decides to bring this back up again as Mueller continues to build a case against him.

Politico - Clinton-Ukraine Collusion: Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire


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