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grindy 01-27-2017 08:17 PM

And yet you don't consider 4'33'' to be music...

Frownland 01-27-2017 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1800379)
And yet you don't consider 4'33'' to be music...

Beat me to it.

DwnWthVwls 01-27-2017 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1800346)
Luxuries? They are just classes. And most High Schools in this country have sports, art, and drama electives. Exactly what are you all up in arms about here? That the Government affords a tiny piece of their budget to preserving the arts?

WTF?

I'm not up in arms, I already said more than once that I agree with you. Electives are luxuries.. As I said, I grew up in a small town with very few electives, especially compared to the rich, blue ribbon schools in the surrounding towns. School is set up to provide us with a basic understanding of 4 subjects: english, math, science, and history (maybe 5 with the push for secondary languages nowadays).. anything schools offer beyond that is a luxury. They are not "just classes", computers cost money, software licensing costs money, musical instruments and sports equipment cost money... You asked me if I would be upset if they cut a particular program and my answer was no. I understand that not every school can afford to offer the same things as one another and like I said there is no government program that assists in making that happen..

Chula Vista 01-27-2017 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1800379)
And yet you don't consider 4'33'' to be music...

It's silence presented as art.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1800402)
I'm not up in arms, I already said more than once that I agree with you. Electives are luxuries.. As I said, I grew up in a small town with very few electives, especially compared to the rich, blue ribbon schools in the surrounding towns.

Electives doesn't mean a school is blue ribbon. I grew up in a small town too. I'd be willing to bet that a vast majority of high schools in the US offer sports and arts programs. You're making it sound like it's some sort of privileged thing. It's not. It's common place. Your school just flat out sucked.

Just looked it up:

As of 2014 there were 14,048 High Schools in the US that had football programs. That's an average of 281 per state. Not exactly exclusive.

DwnWthVwls 01-27-2017 09:15 PM

Can you stop getting hung up on the word luxury and try to understand my point. Electives ARE extra.. They are not a baseline, and every school offers them in different amounts. I chose luxury, pick a word you think is more fitting, idc, that has nothing to do with the point I was making. I really don't even know what this has to do with the points I was making about Goofle anymore, and since you can't seem to let it go, I'm willing to respond, but it's probably better in PMs as to not take away from the thread.

Chula Vista 01-27-2017 09:35 PM

The opinions and ideologies that Goffle's been projecting around here lately I find offensive. Bottom line. I'm gonna come back on him every time he makes posts like he's been doing.

I find the arts important. I thinking funding them is important to US culture. If someone thinks otherwise I'm gonna speak my mind.

Frownland 01-28-2017 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1800410)

Just looked it up:

As of 2014 there were 14,048 High Schools in the US that had football programs. That's an average of 281 per state. Not exactly exclusive.

Out of how many schools though? Sounds like there's room ft improvement there.

DwnWthVwls 01-28-2017 01:20 AM

The data is a dated, but even if it decreased by a few thousand it's still a disparity...

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/li...s/hsfacts.html
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Number of Institutions

Across the United States there are 26,407 public secondary schools and 10,693 private secondary schools. (Digest of Education Statistics, 2001, Table 89)
In 1999-2000, the states with the largest number of public secondary schools were California, Texas, Illinois, Ohio, and New York. (Digest of Education Statistics, 2001, Table 101)
The national rankings include more than 21,000 high schools, but I can't find exact numbers.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best...ional-rankings

djchameleon 01-28-2017 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1800264)
That being said, we actually have 700ish miles of fence/wall down there already. More might be helpful.

I feel like I've posted this before but people that actually live in border towns don't think it might be more helpful. Cameras and having light near certain areas are what's helpful.

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And the wall? The union made no mention of it in their endorsement announcement, but Border Patrol agents along the Rio Grande Valley largely view it as waste of time and money that wouldn’t actually solve any of their security problems. Bush’s Secure Fence Act of 2006, which resulted in a fence along about a third of the U.S. and Mexico border, didn’t really go so well, after all. Construction on that project stopped after it proved to be more costly, challenging, and ineffective than anticipated. “We put up that 18-foot wall [in the 2000s], the next day they had 19-foot ladders. It’s not going to stop them, but it’ll slow them down,” Cabrera said.

Rather than a wall, agents are calling for better infrastructure, improved technology, and the recruitment of more agents. With 51 percent of U.S. border city residents voting “no” and 44 percent voting “yes” as to whether more agents are needed, residents and Border Patrol agents may not necessarily see eye-to-eye on everything the border needs. But at the very least, they both know a wall isn’t the solution Trump thinks it is.

The Batlord 01-28-2017 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1800474)
The data is a dated, but even if it decreased by a few thousand it's still a disparity...

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/li...s/hsfacts.html


The national rankings include more than 21,000 high schools, but I can't find exact numbers.

Best High Schools in America | Best High Schools Rankings | US News

But wasn't that first statistic specifically about football programs? Or am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1800410)
Just looked it up:

As of 2014 there were 14,048 High Schools in the US that had football programs. That's an average of 281 per state. Not exactly exclusive.



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