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Anteater 02-01-2017 11:10 AM

You guys have all completely missed the point. Why am I not surprised that liberals can't tell the difference between discussing PEOPLE and discussing IDEOLOGY. Question: Islam originated in "which" part of the world? That's what I thought. I agreed the world was full of peaceful awesome Muslims. I'm talking about a specific part of the world and ground zero for the purest form of cultural and religious ideology for the Islamic faith.

Oh wait, I'm a bigot for talking about problems in Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Whoops! I also made a comparison point to the peaceful majority's practicing of Islam to the non-denominational Christians. That's the path of co-existence. But what can I expect from people with zero reading comprehension? Good grief.

Cuthbert 02-01-2017 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1801880)
You really are a bigot. Although a somewhat cultured one. I wish you could read the **** you type through a 100% clear lens. I think you'd be a bit ashamed of yourself.

You do realize that there's approx. 1.5 billion people all over the planet who are of the muslim faith, right? In all countries including the USA. And that 99% of them are modernized, cultured like yourself, educated, hard working, and as peaceful as could be. You realize that right?

Put away your broad brush man.

You're conflating the ideology with the people. At least argue against the claim that was made.

Frownland 02-01-2017 11:12 AM

So it's cultural and not actually related to Islam? And that defining the whole of Islam off of a small segment of people in that religion is a pretty ignorant thing to do? Oh okay, I didn't realize we were agreeing here.

Anteater 02-01-2017 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1801884)
So it's cultural and not actually related to Islam? And that defining the whole of Islam off of a small segment of people in that religion is a pretty ignorant thing to do? Oh okay, I didn't realize we were agreeing here.

Correct. Islam itself isn't the enemy, it's Wahhabism and related ideologies / interpretations of Islam.

One of the root issues is that you have a surprising amount of thought leaders in Islam itself who adhere to elements of Wahhabism, which is evidence that Islam as a whole is still going through the teething stage I discussed before. Since this ideology persists strongly in Islam's geological place of origin, I believe it contributes greatly to the violence we observe today.

Frownland 02-01-2017 11:31 AM

You have state-funded clerics in Saudi Arabia, yes, but using that as justification to suggest that Islam as a whole is culturally inferior to Christianity (let's just ignore Africa for now) ignores the diversity within Islam and, again, is very ignorant.

Also consider Christianity started in modern day Israel and look at where that country's at! It's almost like the country of origin isn't as relevant as a lot of people insist that it is when they want you to ignore the big picture.

Chula Vista 02-01-2017 11:37 AM

I hate it when me and Frownland see eye to eye.

Anteater 02-01-2017 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1801889)
Also consider Christianity started in modern day Israel and look at where that country's at! It's almost like the country of origin isn't as relevant as a lot of people insist that it is when they want you to ignore the big picture.

And I love it when wonderful fellows like Frownland point out what I've already said in regards to the evolution of Christianity.

I already explained the big picture: Islam will never get to the point where Christianity is at as long as Wahhabism and related ideologies / interpretations of Islam continue to dominate the global conversation. I doubt you'd have so much fear of Islam worldwide if you could just take that one "part" of the diversity out of the equation. Take one or two bad apples out of the barrel and the whole stigma disappears.

(I'm agnostic by the way...not that anyone cares)

Chula Vista 02-01-2017 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1801883)
You're conflating the ideology with the people. At least argue against the claim that was made.

Muslim's are of the Islamic faith. Therefore Muslim = Islam.

Christians are of the biblical faith. Therefore Christian = Bible.

Frownland 02-01-2017 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1801891)
And I love it when people point out what I've already said in regards to the evolution of Christianity.

I already explained the big picture: Islam will never get to the point where Christianity is at as long as Wahhabism and related ideologies / interpretations of Islam continue to dominate the global conversation. I doubt you'd have so much fear of Islam worldwide if you could just take that one "part" of the diversity out of the equation.

Without a violent approach I doubt that Islam could reach Christianity's levels of popularity. It's how the Christians had to do it.

Chula Vista 02-01-2017 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1801891)
I already explained the big picture: Islam will never get to the point where Christianity is at as long as Wahhabism and related ideologies / interpretations of Islam continue to dominate the global conversation.

You realize that Wahhabism accounts for roughly 0.5% of the worlds Muslim population, right?


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