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elphenor 02-10-2017 01:47 PM

No they don't though lol
It's neither of those things

Latinos across the board regardless of income vote Democrat because from civil rights onward Dems have refrained from **** talking them

It's similar to the reason African Americans are going to be firmly Democratic for the foreseeable future

Repubs played the short term game Dems are very likely to win out in the long term

The Batlord 02-10-2017 01:58 PM

The political demographics shifted decades ago, with Democrats switching from racist stances to socially liberal ones. So don't think that the current political demographics are static. The Democratic party is poised to take the lead in the near future if the current racial demographic continues to shift as it has, and so they don't really need to change too much, whereas the Republicans will be forced to drastically change their approach or die. And they will. The tipping point likely being when Texas flips due to rising Latino population.

If the Repubs drop the sneaky racial politics, boost their minority leadership numbers to include more Latinos, and start trying to relate to them on a personal/cultural level (i.e. "These liberals aren't your people since they care about gay marriage and abortion and feminism and atheism and whatnot, and not actually anything that you care about") then it's only a matter of time until they start gaining ground.

And white Southerners aren't all of a sudden going to flip Democrat just because their leaders are courting brown people, so the Republicans will have very little to lose and everything to gain by going this route.

duga 02-10-2017 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1804329)
And white Southerners aren't all of a sudden going to flip Democrat just because their leaders are courting brown people, so the Republicans will have very little to lose and everything to gain by going this route.

I think you may be right, but it's still a gamble. The ideological shift between the parties you mentioned happened for just this reason - the Democrats elected a progressive Catholic in the 60s, so they freaked out and ran to the Republicans. Don't underestimate how self righteous and single minded the extremist bases of these parties can be.

The Batlord 02-10-2017 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1804333)
I think you may be right, but it's still a gamble. The ideological shift between the parties you mentioned happened for just this reason - the Democrats elected a progressive Catholic in the 60s, so they freaked out and ran to the Republicans. Don't underestimate how self righteous and single minded the extremist bases of these parties can be.

They also shifted because of unprecedented social reforms that ended segregation in an era when white Southerners were willing to support something like segregation. That's quite a bit more extreme than simply trying to make nice with Latinos. It is a gamble, but much less of one than in the past.

duga 02-10-2017 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1804336)
They also shifted because of unprecedented social reforms that ended segregation in an era when white Southerners were willing to support something like segregation. That's quite a bit more extreme than simply trying to make nice with Latinos. It is a gamble, but much less of one than in the past.

It's all relative. I feel like the people of the 60s were much more informed than people today. In a world where a large chunk of us don't believe in evolution, don't know that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing, and take the Bowling Green massacre as fact and run with it...favoring Latinos might be enough.

Like I said, you are probably right...but ****, no one thought Trump would be president. So I try to prepare for anything.

elphenor 02-10-2017 03:14 PM

Repubs tried appealing to Latinos with Rubio

He was basically disqualified immediately by talking about Latinos as if they're human beings

You're not understanding how important white nationalism is to the Republican base

It's not that they'll switch Democrat but they won't show up for a pro immigration candidate

elphenor 02-10-2017 03:16 PM

Not only that but Latinos didn't buy that **** at all lol

Chula Vista 02-10-2017 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1804353)
but ****, no one thought Trump would be president. So I try to prepare for anything.

I've been alive for almost 57 years and have lived through a lot of ****. Kennedy's funeral on the B&W television being one of my earliest clear memories. Then Bobby, MLK, Vietnam, Watergate, Kent State, 72 Munich Olympics, and on and on and on and on......

Sitting in front of the television on election night and slowly seeing the results inch towards his victory was the only time in my life when the logical portion of my brain turned completely inside out.

It wasn't a gut punch like The Challenger or 9/11. It was more like realizing my country had once and for all truly lost its collective mind.

Just stating a perspective. Not looking for any debates.

elphenor 02-10-2017 03:33 PM

I don't think the country is any different than it was when Obama won it was just a perfect storm Trump is more like a natural disaster

Chula Vista 02-10-2017 03:45 PM

From film producer Scott Mednick:

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A Trump supporting Facebook friend told me, "We suffered under Obama for eight years. Now it’s your turn.”

"I am surprised you would wish suffering upon me. That of course is your right, I suppose. I do not wish harm on anyone. Your statement seems to continue the ‘US v THEM’ mentality. The election is over. It is important to get past campaigning and campaign rhetoric and get down to what is uniting, not dividing and what is best for ALL Americans.
There will never be a President who does everything to everyone’s liking. There are things President Obama (and President Clinton) did that I do not like and conversely there are things I can point to that the Presidents Bush did that I agree with. So I am not 100% in lock step with the outgoing President but have supported him and the overall job he did.

And, if you recall, during the Presidential Campaign back in 2008 the campaign was halted because of the "historic crisis in our financial system." Wall Street bailout negotiations intervened in the election process. The very sobering reality was that there likely could be a Depression and the world financial markets could collapse. The United States was losing 800,000 jobs a month and was poised to lose at least 10 million jobs the first year once the new President took office. We were in an economic freefall. So let us recall that ALL of America was suffering terribly at the beginning of Obama’s Presidency.

But I wanted to look back over the last 8 years and ask you a few questions. Since much of the rhetoric before Obama was elected was that he would impose Sharia Law, Take Away Your Guns, Create Death Panels, Destroy the Economy, Impose Socialism and, since you will agree that NONE of this came to pass,
I was wondering:
Why have you suffered so?
So let me ask:

Gays and Lesbians can now marry and enjoy the benefits they had been deprived of. Has this caused your suffering?
When Obama took office, the Dow was 6,626. Now it is 19,875. Has this caused your suffering?
We had 82 straight months of private sector job growth - the longest streak in the history of the United States. Has this caused your suffering?
Especially considering where he the economy was when he took over, an amazing 11.3 million new jobs were created under President Obama (far more than President Bush). Has this caused your suffering?
Obama has taken Unemployment from 10% down to 4.7%. Has this caused your suffering?
Homelessness among US Veterans has dropped by half. Has this caused your suffering?
Obama shut down the US secret overseas prisons. Has this caused your suffering?
President Obama has created a policy for the families of fallen soldiers to have their travel paid for to be there when remains are flown home. Has this caused your suffering?
We landed a rover on Mars. Has this caused your suffering?
He passed the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Has this caused your suffering?
Uninsured adults has decreased to below 10%: 90% of adults are insured - an increase of 20 Million Adults. Has this caused your suffering?
People are now covered for pre-existing conditions. Has this caused your suffering?
Insurance Premiums increased an average of $4,677 from 2002-2008, an increase of 58% under Bush. The growth of these
insurance premiums has gone up $4,145 – a slower rate of increase. Has this caused your suffering?
Obama added Billions of dollars to mental health care for our Veterans. Has this caused your suffering?
Consumer confidence has gone from 37.7 to 98.1 during Obama’s tenure. Has this caused your suffering?
He passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Has this caused your suffering?
His bi-annual Nuclear Summit convinced 16 countries to give up and destroy all their loose nuclear material so it could not be stolen. Has this caused your suffering?
He saved the US Auto industry. American cars sold at the beginning of his term were 10.4M and upon his exit 17.5M. Has this caused your suffering?
The deficit as a percentage of the GDP has gone from 9.8% to 3.2%. Has this caused your suffering?
The deficit itself was cut by $800 Billion Dollars. Has this caused your suffering?
Obama preserved the middle class tax cuts. Has this caused your suffering?
Obama banned solitary confinement for juveniles in federal prisons. Has this caused your suffering?
He signed Credit Card reform so that rates could not be raised without you being notified. Has this caused your suffering?
He outlawed Government contractors from discriminating against LGBT persons. Has this caused your suffering?
He doubled Pell Grants. Has this caused your suffering?
Abortion is down. Has this caused your suffering?
Violent crime is down. Has this caused your suffering?
He overturned the scientific ban on stem cell research. Has this caused your suffering?
He protected Net Neutrality. Has this caused your suffering?
Obamacare has extended the life of the Medicare insurance trust fund (will be solvent until 2030). Has this caused your suffering?
President Obama repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell. Has this caused your suffering?
He banned torture. Has this caused your suffering?
He negotiated with Syria to give up its chemical weapons and they were destroyed. Has this caused your suffering?
Solar and Wind Power are at an all time high. Has this caused your suffering?
High School Graduation rates hit 83% - an all time high. Has this caused your suffering?
Corporate profits are up by 144%. Has this caused your suffering?
He normalized relations with Cuba. Has this caused your suffering?
Reliance on foreign oil is at a 40 year low. Has this caused your suffering?
US Exports are up 28%. Has this caused your suffering?
He appointed the most diverse cabinet ever. Has this caused your suffering?
He reduced the number of troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Has this caused your suffering?
Yes, he killed Osama Bin Laden and retrieved all the documents in his possession for analysis. Perhaps THIS caused your suffering?

From an objective standpoint it would appear that the last eight years have seen some great progress and we were saved from a financial collapse. Things are not perfect. Things can always be better. We are on much better footing now than we were in 2008.
I look forward to understanding what caused you to suffer so much under Obama these last eight years."


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