Lisnaholic

^ Sorry, did I slip up ? TBH, the voices and numbers seem to be flying so thick and fast, I found it difficult to keep up. There are times when the presenter, Joy, is apparently trying to say two sentences simultaneously as far as I can make out. The guy as well occassionally starts one sentence then abandons it without explanation in favour of another.

Anyway, I'm correcting this statistic in hopes that my post will now fits the facts better - or have I screwed up somewhere else too?

Obama's golf games after 72 days in office: 0
Trump's ditto: 14

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Chula Vista

But Trumps are all presidential business meetings that happen to involve some putting.

Obama's were nothing but pure entertainment and an escape from politics.

Or maybe not. That's John Boehner in case you don't recognize him.

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DwnWthVwls

Unless golfing is causing him to not do his job i really dgaf. And since none of us know, this is the dumbest ****ing attack i have ever seen on Obama and trump. You can only sign and read so many things before you have to wait for all the paperwork to go through the proper channels. Its not like he's golfing during a state of emergency. Seriously more bs to distract from issues that are important and the sheeple continuously eat it up. Gotta love drama, it protects us from having to cope and be adults. Theres nothing quite like creating solvable problems out of nothing to boost your ego with a sense of accomplishment.

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Chula Vista

DWV, the point is that Trump went out of his way to slam BO because he golfed too much.

Just another example of his blatant hypocrisy and total BS that his acolytes 100% bought into.

To ignore it is to condone it for future elections. We simply can not stop calling this **** out - otherwise it will continue to slowly become the norm in the absence of truth and certifiable facts.

I can already see a Black Mirror episode being made over all of this crap.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Lisnaholic

^ You are of course perfectly entitled to dgaf, DWV, but why are you so dismissive of people who do gaf ?

I've already acknowledged that this is not the greatest problem the US is facing, but as Chula points out, Trump himself started the finger-pointing over Obama's conduct, so it's only fair if Trump's conduct is examined in a similar way. People on the public payroll should be held accountable. That means for what they do, what they say and how they spend their time. Same thing happens in the private sector, though there may be less scrutiny there. (If you fill shelves in Walmart, nobody cares what you do in your free time, but on the other hand, your clock-in time is monitored to the second.) Obviously the President's case is less clear-cut, but Trump's hours spent in Washington are suspiciously light (an average of only two days out of every three apparently), and it's not just "sheeple" or people who want protection "from having to cope and be adults" who are concerned that Trump is abusing his position.

On the healthcare bill, there was widespread criticism in the White House that Trump had not done his homework, which is why I've bolded your statement above. It gives the impression that the President's job is a linear sequence of read, sign, "wait for all the paperwork to go through", then presumably read, sign and wait for something else.

Well, I doubt that it's like that at all. I suspect it's more a case of a constant blizzard of complex issues, all of which should be explored in depth in order to arrive at an informed decision. That means a lot of homework all the time, and that's how it is how it is for most conscientious decision-makers I believe. (Mrs.Thatcher, for instance, was reputed to work until midnight, then get up at 4 a.m. to read and prepare for the day ahead.) She was an extreme case, but Trump could be a lot more diligent about his responsibities I'm sure. Instead of another round of golf, I wish that Trump would do a bit more homework on climate change for example - that might make him rethink his present policy of stomping on the environment for any short-term benefit he can squeeze out of it.

EDIT: Took me a long time to write the above, and I see that the discussion has moved on apace. Are Chula and I being whipped up by partisan media? Maybe to some extent, but the facts about his out-of-Washington trips seem pretty well documented. I'm surprised that more of you aren't offended that your (and/or your parents') hard-earned tax dollars are funding Trump's extravagant lifestyle.

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DwnWthVwls

No it's not, because it solves absolutely nothing. That's my entire point. It actually detracts from issues that do matter, I don't understand why this is difficult to understand.

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Lisnaholic

^ OK, I'll stand down on the issue of fairness for the moment, DWV. I'm too tired to think that point through...

I suppose I posted my initial grumble about Trump's golfing, etc. because it rankled with me as an example of hypocrisy. I'm aware my posts aren't going to solve anything, but media attention can improve politicians' conduct, can't it?

Issues that do matter? Yes, I'm more than happy to move on to those - but on another day if that's ok. It's bedtime where I live.

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DwnWthVwls

I cant help but laugh at the childishness of that approach. You raised 2 kids, you remember how when they acted out for attention it was sometimes best to ignore them so they moved on to other things. Same idea.

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The Batlord

I guess the solution is to give them a good smack.

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Chula Vista

With all due respect, this is a totally ignorant, insulting, and flat out lazy response.

You're trying to equate me and my two kids with a dude who is The President of the United States of America, and who won based on swaying a bunch of the available 170,000,000+ votes based on spewing complete and utter lies to ****ing lemmings, who were either stupid enough, or apathetic enough (like you), to not give a ****.

I seriously hope you don't represent your entire demographic. If you do we are ****ing doomed.

I have a serious stake in all of this. Maybe you do. Maybe you don't. But try to take it with the gravitas it deserves rather than being so ****ing cavalier and seemingly naive.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”