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Chula Vista 01-25-2017 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gud (Post 1799752)
its lgbtq. There's no a for allies. Theyre rippinf ypu off. Who the **** cares. Move to sf and see what these people really are- ****ing elitist negligent entitled garbage. I can't believe i ever wasted time sticking up for these people.

wtf????

The Batlord 01-25-2017 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GuD (Post 1799752)
Its lgbtq. There's no A for allies. Theyre rippinf ypu off. Who the **** cares. Move to SF and see what these people really are- ****ing elitist negligent entitled garbage. I can't believe i ever wasted time sticking up for these people.

You sound pretty elitist, entitled, and you negligently gave your dog to a total stranger. How are you not garbage?

Frownland 01-25-2017 10:04 PM

I don't like the term allies. It threatens cis-unity.

innerspaceboy 01-25-2017 10:07 PM

And by the way, the "A+" represents asexuals and everyone else who is not cisgender or straight.

GuD 01-25-2017 10:09 PM

Lesbians triedv to kill me and gay dudes tried to rape me. I make mistakes left and right and upon reflection realize that I follow very closely the footsteps of the community currently discussed.

Tristan_Geoff 01-25-2017 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by innerspaceboy (Post 1799765)
And by the way, the "A+" represents asexuals and everyone else who is not cisgender or straight.

https://media.giphy.com/media/NZidR3xG67sEU/giphy.gif

Chula Vista 01-25-2017 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GuD (Post 1799767)
Lesbians triedv to kill me and gay dudes tried to rape me. I make mistakes left and right and upon reflection realize that I follow very closely the footsteps of the community currently discussed.

Stop being so cryptic. In plain English: What the **** is the point you are trying to make?

Anteater 01-25-2017 11:05 PM

Well, that was weird.

Anyway, back to hard hitting news related to Donald Trump...such as how depressed James Franco feels about it!

James Franco on Trump: 'I've spiraled into a depression' | TheHill

Chula Vista 01-25-2017 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1799786)
Well, that was weird.

Anyway, back to hard hitting news related to Donald Trump...

Nice mini-deflection Trumpeater. Care to comment on this?

Mexican President: We will not pay for Trump's wall - CNNPolitics.com

Do the Trump posse realize that if he enforces tariffs in order to get Mexico to pay for the wall it will only mean higher prices for US consumers?

:tramp::tramp::tramp:

Lisnaholic 01-26-2017 05:22 AM

Here's a song that's more appropriate to the discussion than Pink Floyd's:-



Compared to Trump, the Mexican president (regularly reviled by his own people) now sounds dignified, rational and morally superior - not characteristics that I would ordinarily associate with Mexican politicians:-

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Enrique Pena Nieto said he "lamented" the plans for the barrier, adding that "Mexico doesn't believe in walls". Mr Pena Nieto told the nation in a televised address: "I've said time and again; Mexico won't pay for any wall. I regret and condemn the decision of the United States to continue construction of a wall that, for years, has divided us instead of uniting us."
But Mr Pena Nieto said his country offered "its friendship to the American people and its willingness to reach accords with their government".

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-26-2017 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by innerspaceboy (Post 1799737)
I would also add Trump's plan to sign The First Amendment Defense Act as an event-to-watch-for, which would prohibit the federal government from taking "discriminatory action" against any business or person that discriminates against LGBTQ people. The act distinctly aims to protect the right of all entities to refuse service to LGBTQ people based on two sets of beliefs: "(1) marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man and one woman, or (2) sexual relations are properly reserved to such a marriage." (as reported by NBC News just before year's end).

probably an unpopular opinion here but i think business' owners should be able to do this if they want. in my personal opinion i would much rather openly know that someone is homophobic or racist than giving them my hard earned money only to find out who i was supporting later down the line. anybody remember the whole cake thing?

Court Rules Bakery Illegally Discriminated Against Gay Couple - ACLU - Colorado


at the end of the day you can't force away bigoted individuals, and i feel it's better to let the civilians see what the truth of the matter is and handle it themselves instead of having the government get involved.

Frownland 01-26-2017 07:30 AM

Depends on where it is. In some rural locations it could be the only place to get a cake for miles. Framing it as an attack on their religious freedoms is some of the most bizarre lines of thinking that I've ever heard.

Cuthbert 01-26-2017 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GuD (Post 1799752)
Its lgbtq. There's no A for allies. Theyre rippinf ypu off. Who the **** cares. Move to SF and see what these people really are- ****ing elitist negligent entitled garbage. I can't believe i ever wasted time sticking up for these people.

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Originally Posted by GuD (Post 1799767)
Lesbians triedv to kill me and gay dudes tried to rape me. I make mistakes left and right and upon reflection realize that I follow very closely the footsteps of the community currently discussed.

lol

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-26-2017 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1799806)
Depends on where it is. In some rural locations it could be the only place to get a cake for miles. Framing it as an attack on their religious freedoms is some of the most bizarre lines of thinking that I've ever heard.

ya I agree that it isn't an attack, but I just don't agree with forcing a business into doing something. the kind of person who thinks being gay is against God's will is the kind of person that I would actively try not to support.

as far as the only bakery for miles, I doubt that is much of an issue during a wedding. if you're already falling into the idea that weddings need to be an extravagant affair then I doubt the extra travel or delivery fee is going to hurt you too much.

I'm not excusing business' from being abusive or offensive either, obviously there is a fine line between firmly denying service and being a ****. you're probably a dickhead regardless, but I believe it should be within your right to be a dickhead.

Frownland 01-26-2017 08:08 AM

Ja. I can't get behind creating second class citizens because of people's ass-backwards beliefs.

Cuthbert 01-26-2017 08:16 AM

If people don't want to sell cakes to gays they should be allowed just accept your business will probably suffer.

I'd rather buy gay friendly cakes myself.

Frownland 01-26-2017 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1799813)
If people don't want to sell cakes to gays they should be allowed just accept your business will probably suffer.

I'd rather buy gay friendly cakes myself.

I don't have faith in that assumption. If you're homophobic, you probably live in a place where that idea isn't challenged that often.

Anteater 01-26-2017 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1799787)
Nice mini-deflection Trumpeater. Care to comment on this?

Mexican President: We will not pay for Trump's wall - CNNPolitics.com

Do the Trump posse realize that if he enforces tariffs in order to get Mexico to pay for the wall it will only mean higher prices for US consumers?

:tramp::tramp::tramp:

I was making a joke. Only a leftist stooge like you would call that deflection. But hey, at least you have good taste in prog. :tramp::tramp::tramp:

He'd have that wall paid for in a few days if he could put some kind of tax on money going back into Mexico via Western Union + similar services....

...wait, I'm pretty sure we talked about this before.

The Batlord 01-26-2017 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by innerspaceboy (Post 1799765)
And by the way, the "A+" represents asexuals and everyone else who is not cisgender or straight.

I don't really like the thought of joining ideologies to atheism though, not least because atheism is not itself an ideology. I also don't like joining it to something that has evolved to include so many divisive and regressive individuals as 3rd wave feminism has. I'm fine being an atheist who reps feminist ideals, but I don't want it to end up being required for me to conform to an ideology I don't necessarily agree with (3rd wave feminism) in order to call myself an atheist.

Frownland 01-26-2017 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1799839)
I don't really like the thought of joining ideologies to atheism though, not least because atheism is not itself an ideology. I also don't like joining it to something that has evolved to include so many divisive and regressive individuals as 3rd wave feminism has. I'm fine being an atheist who reps feminist ideals, but I don't want it to end up being required for me to conform to an ideology I don't necessarily agree with (3rd wave feminism) in order to call myself an atheist.

Huh?

The Batlord 01-26-2017 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1799840)
Huh?

Isn't A+ Atheism+?

Frownland 01-26-2017 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1799841)
Isn't A+ Atheism+?

In the post that you quoted.

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Originally Posted by innerspaceboy (Post 1799765)
And by the way, the "A+" represents asexuals and everyone else who is not cisgender or straight.


The Batlord 01-26-2017 09:59 AM

I guess I missed the context then.

Janszoon 01-26-2017 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1799818)
I was making a joke. Only a leftist stooge like you would call that deflection. But hey, at least you have good taste in prog. :tramp::tramp::tramp:

Please refrain from calling people names. It's a violation of our rules and just makes for a bad environment. That goes for anyone else in this thread who's doing this as well.

Exo 01-26-2017 12:25 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8b9daf9f706b

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Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s job running the State Department just got considerably more difficult. The entire senior level of management officials resigned Wednesday, part of an ongoing mass exodus of senior foreign service officers who don’t want to stick around for the Trump era.

Tillerson was actually inside the State Department’s headquarters in Foggy Bottom on Wednesday, taking meetings and getting the lay of the land. I reported Wednesday morning that the Trump team was narrowing its search for his No. 2, and that it was looking to replace the State Department’s long-serving undersecretary for management, Patrick Kennedy. Kennedy, who has been in that job for nine years, was actively involved in the transition and was angling to keep that job under Tillerson, three State Department officials told me.

Then suddenly on Wednesday afternoon, Kennedy and three of his top officials resigned unexpectedly, four State Department officials confirmed. Assistant Secretary of State for Administration Joyce Anne Barr, Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs Michele Bond and Ambassador Gentry O. Smith, director of the Office of Foreign Missions, followed him out the door. All are career foreign service officers who have served under both Republican and Democratic administrations.
It hasn't been a full week. This is getting intense so fast.

duga 01-26-2017 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1799890)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8b9daf9f706b



It hasn't been a full week. This is getting intense so fast.

I hope everyone can fully appreciate how much more dangerous this makes Rex. With logical minds and institutional knowledge gone and the department being handed to someone with little diplomatic experience, I can imagine any number of explosive situations occurring. With as little hyperbole as I can muster, this is truly and utterly terrifying.

Tristan_Geoff 01-26-2017 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1799888)
Yeah you're totally right if I don't want black people to get served at the counter why should the gubment make me

They can go out around back like God intended

He does have a point here.

Exo 01-26-2017 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 1799891)
I hope everyone can fully appreciate how much more dangerous this makes Rex. With logical minds and institutional knowledge gone and the department being handed to someone with little diplomatic experience, I can imagine any number of explosive situations occurring. With as little hyperbole as I can muster, this is truly and utterly terrifying.

As horrifying as it is, I hold a little hope that this sort of sh*t is what causes a massive priority shift with the Right. One thing is for sure, this spring and summer may get violent.

Frownland 01-26-2017 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1799893)
As horrifying as it is, I hold a little hope that this sort of sh*t is what causes a massive priority shift with the Right. One thing is for sure, this spring and summer may get violent.

It'll either be a priority shift or the death of the GOP.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-26-2017 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1799888)
Yeah you're totally right if I don't want black people to get served at the counter why should the gubment make me

They can go out around back like God intended

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1799892)
He does have a point here.

no he doesn't. if something doesn't fit his ideals he immediately jumps to being dismissive and arrogant. pretty funny coming from someone who still thinks communism is a good system.

Exo 01-26-2017 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1799894)
It'll either be a priority shift or the death of the GOP.

I really hope it isn't the death of the GOP. As much as I generally disagree with Republicans, I can't help shake this feeling that a multi party system could be beneficial. It just sucks that the GOP has had its head up its ass for so long.

Frownland 01-26-2017 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1799895)
no he doesn't. if something doesn't fit his ideals he immediately jumps to being dismissive and arrogant. pretty funny coming from someone who still thinks communism is a good system.

You genuinely don't see any similarity between not serving homosexuals and not serving another race?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-26-2017 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1799898)
You genuinely don't see any similarity between not serving homosexuals and not serving another race?

ofc there are similarities but would you honestly not rather out these horrible people than have them just shove subtle racism down these customers throats? at least then everyone knows and you can choose not to support them.

Frownland 01-26-2017 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1799900)
ofc there are similarities but would you honestly not rather out these horrible people than have them just shove subtle racism down these customers throats? at least then everyone knows and you can choose not to support them.

Do you remember the Chik Fil A incident? Where their business boomed following homophobic statements? Your faith in these businesses failing is too optimistic. That's also not to mention that homophobic attitudes are more rampant in places where that kind of attitude is considered acceptable, so they have lots of allies to keep their business afloat. Giving people the opportunity to strip other citizens of rights and privileges because of things that are out of their control is never acceptable. I think they should lose their business license if they refuse service in that manner.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-26-2017 12:52 PM

you don't think things would have went a little differently had they refused to serve them? it's one thing to have these opinions but entirely different to act on them.

think of how many other chik fil a's there are out there as well.

at the end of the day it would only be small business' that would ever do this, and only if they had incredibly poor business sense.

Chula Vista 01-26-2017 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1799806)
Depends on where it is. In some rural locations it could be the only place to get a cake for miles. Framing it as an attack on their religious freedoms is some of the most bizarre lines of thinking that I've ever heard.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1799811)
Ja. I can't get behind creating second class citizens because of people's ass-backwards beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1799814)
I don't have faith in that assumption. If you're homophobic, you probably live in a place where that idea isn't challenged that often.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1799894)
It'll either be a priority shift or the death of the GOP.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1799898)
You genuinely don't see any similarity between not serving homosexuals and not serving another race?

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1799903)
Do you remember the Chik Fil A incident? Where their business boomed following homophobic statements? Your faith in these businesses failing is too optimistic. That's also not to mention that homophobic attitudes are more rampant in places where that kind of attitude is considered acceptable, so they have lots of allies to keep their business afloat. Giving people the opportunity to strip other citizens of rights and privileges because of things that are out of their control is never acceptable. I think they should lose their business license if they refuse service in that manner.

Wanna go out sometime and have a cup of coffee?

Frownland 01-26-2017 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1799906)
you don't think things would have went a little differently had they refused to serve them? it's one thing to have these opinions but entirely different to act on them.

think of how many other chik fil a's there are out there as well.

at the end of the day it would only be small business' that would ever do this, and only if they had incredibly poor business sense.

You faith in the market is inspiring. "Eh, they're just gonna fail anyways! Let em break the 14th amendment it's cool."

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 01-26-2017 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1799911)
Not the point at all

lol I'm pretty sure I can choose the point in my own argument but thanks for your concern mate.

we'll have to agree to disagree frown, it's not an issue I'm all that passionate about but clearly we have different views on the matter.

Frownland 01-26-2017 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1799914)

we'll have to agree to disagree frown, it's not an issue I'm all that passionate about but clearly we have different views on the matter.

Man I thought you were all constitution lovin and stuff because you said you were a libertarian.

Chula Vista 01-26-2017 01:15 PM

I can't stop laughing....



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