I disagree with the answers.

It won't help. Unless you have guards stationed 24/7 every 1/4 mile of the wall it'll be useless.

And then there's this. Here in San Diego there's a large portion of that 700 miles of wall. Drug smugglers reply: :rofl:

Drug 'super tunnel' with railway raided on Mexico border - CNN.com

Why is this flying over peoples heads?

And Goofle, once again, I disagree, therefore it's bad for everyone.

You may not want to click on this link. Your brain might just explode.

http://funding-programs.idilogic.aidpage.com/

That's pretty condescending... Not that I agree with Goofle, but the role of government is subjective. If it isn't please explain to me how you objectively explain its' role when even the two biggest parties representing it do not share all the same views.

Edit: Maybe I'm reading too much into your post. It seems like you're saying people like Goofle have the wrong view of government and there is an absolute role.

The government's role is to NOT EXIST!

Nailed it.

It's really very simple and not condescending at all:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...s_Constitution


Read it sometime.

I guess what I'm getting at is: there are different ways to provide welfare, and on that long list, art is not near the top or nearly as objectively important as something like healthcare. I think you guys have gotten so used to pissing on Goofle that anything he says gets your panties in a bunch.

Edit: I'm not agreeing with him that we shouldn't fund it, I'm just saying if we needed funding, I think it's reasonable that it's the first thing to go. We don't have an unlimited supply of money, so if he thinks there are more important things that contribute to welfare that push arts off the list, I don't think that's unreasonable.

I'm good.

But it still belongs on the list. Did your High School have a liberal arts program? Did it have a HS band? An art class? An acting or dramatic arts class?

Did you take part in any of it? Either way, imagine you got a kid who's about to enter High School and word comes down that they are eliminating all liberal arts programs. Wouldn't that bug you?

Goofle has been coming across these past few months as a totally self centered person who doesn't give a crap about anyone who doesn't fit into his narrow view of the world. Translation: DICK.

Liberal arts is a catch all term for general education (in my experience) so cutting it would mean bye bye english, math, history, etc... it doesn't actually have to do with art specifically.

Wiki
Also, read my edit.

Fair enough. Now answer the rest of my questions.

I understand that Elph, it was just an example. I just think he's got everybody on the defensive all the time and it detracts from promoting discussion or asking challenging questions.

For instance:
@Goofle
-If the funding is readily available do you still think the government should exclude it?
-Are there things currently not being funded that you think should have priority over the arts?

What's the rest of your question? K-12 in general is liberal arts.. so yeh if they cut funding there would be no school. Would I be mad if they cut band or something specific? Not really, I went to a tiny school and we didn't have **** for elective options, it's not like there is a program currently in place that affords the luxuries you're describing to every school system in America.

I love the 80's.

Anyhoo, I don't think the arts or funding related to the arts makes any sense at the federal level. State level perhaps, but federal? Nah. Unless they decided to fund a prog. rock supergroup or something. That would be rad.

Luxuries? They are just classes. And most High Schools in this country have sports, art, and drama electives. Exactly what are you all up in arms about here? That the Government affords a tiny piece of their budget to preserving the arts?

WTF?

That's become blatantly obvious of late.

What about National Parks? What about the Smithsonian Institute?

National parks count as the arts? Interesting.

I consider this art. Half Dome: Yosemite National Park.

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qim...t_to_webp=true

And yet you don't consider 4'33'' to be music...

Beat me to it.

I'm not up in arms, I already said more than once that I agree with you. Electives are luxuries.. As I said, I grew up in a small town with very few electives, especially compared to the rich, blue ribbon schools in the surrounding towns. School is set up to provide us with a basic understanding of 4 subjects: english, math, science, and history (maybe 5 with the push for secondary languages nowadays).. anything schools offer beyond that is a luxury. They are not "just classes", computers cost money, software licensing costs money, musical instruments and sports equipment cost money... You asked me if I would be upset if they cut a particular program and my answer was no. I understand that not every school can afford to offer the same things as one another and like I said there is no government program that assists in making that happen..

It's silence presented as art.

Electives doesn't mean a school is blue ribbon. I grew up in a small town too. I'd be willing to bet that a vast majority of high schools in the US offer sports and arts programs. You're making it sound like it's some sort of privileged thing. It's not. It's common place. Your school just flat out sucked.

Just looked it up:

As of 2014 there were 14,048 High Schools in the US that had football programs. That's an average of 281 per state. Not exactly exclusive.

Can you stop getting hung up on the word luxury and try to understand my point. Electives ARE extra.. They are not a baseline, and every school offers them in different amounts. I chose luxury, pick a word you think is more fitting, idc, that has nothing to do with the point I was making. I really don't even know what this has to do with the points I was making about Goofle anymore, and since you can't seem to let it go, I'm willing to respond, but it's probably better in PMs as to not take away from the thread.

The opinions and ideologies that Goffle's been projecting around here lately I find offensive. Bottom line. I'm gonna come back on him every time he makes posts like he's been doing.

I find the arts important. I thinking funding them is important to US culture. If someone thinks otherwise I'm gonna speak my mind.

Out of how many schools though? Sounds like there's room ft improvement there.

The data is a dated, but even if it decreased by a few thousand it's still a disparity...

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/li...s/hsfacts.html
The national rankings include more than 21,000 high schools, but I can't find exact numbers.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best...ional-rankings

I feel like I've posted this before but people that actually live in border towns don't think it might be more helpful. Cameras and having light near certain areas are what's helpful.

But wasn't that first statistic specifically about football programs? Or am I missing something?

The new Idi Amin is rolling

Arts programs for schools usually rely on property taxes from homeowners locally. It isn't something that gets federal dollars.

Opposing ideas are to Chula what spiders are to The Batlord.

That's... I don't think that's really appropriate...

They have the same number of eyes as they do limbs. **** that.

That would make one cool cover of a doom metal album!
In fairness, it's not just Chula who has a problem with your ideas/ideologies/way of looking at things...

Yeh and then Frown asked out of how many schools.

Wouldn't it be boring if it was just one person who disagreed with you? At least the others (except maybe Ki) seem to resist name calling and instead engage in discussion.

But we're still just talking about high school football, which is kind of irrelevant.

I have no idea what you're on about.

I don't think anyone does anymore.

I asked you two questions you are yet to respond to.

So appropriate that the member here who's all for gutting things that will ultimately hurt people has such a thin skin. Poor poor Goof.

Troll, here's a shot of my daughter hanging out on the very tip of half dome.

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...d5&oe=591C4BD1

And in other news, looks like the turtle isn't going to be a lapdog for The Donald.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politi...aud/index.html

Just the tip?