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Old 03-19-2017, 09:05 AM   #3851 (permalink)
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This is hands down my least favourite cliche ftr.

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Hey, all I can do is speak from experience. If you want to be condescending, try stepping into my shoes for a day or two.
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:08 AM   #3852 (permalink)
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Hey, all I can do is speak from experience. If you want to be condescending, try stepping into my shoes for a day or two.
I'm condescending and open minded how about that
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:11 AM   #3853 (permalink)
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I'm condescending and open minded how about that
Or, you know, you could try a counter argument. Or something with substance. Maybe I'm asking a bit much?
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:19 AM   #3854 (permalink)
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Why are you talking about politics like you'd talk about black metal lulz. The biggest problem IN politics right now is we don't have enough Libertarians in any position that actually matters. Hyper-polarization is why nothing gets done (since everybody hates each other), combined with both the Democrats and Republicans insatiable greed for money. We need a good third party to go mainstream in order to fight problems like this.
Polarization gets nothing done and centrists by definition want to keep things the same. What good is a third party if it only wants to continue with what's already being done?
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Or, you know, you could try a counter argument. Or something with substance. Maybe I'm asking a bit much?
To what, the cliche? My counter argument is the loads of people who deal with the government who think that logical liberal solutions still work.

This may not pertain to you, but I think that a lot of construct a bogeyman view of the government because they only associate with the government when they're forced to, and nobody likes that. Some people only see the negative parts that affect their lives and take a lot of the positive things for granted. Food for thought.
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Maybe you'll eventually figure it out when you've lived a little longer, but the more time you spend dealing with government (which I have), the more conservative you become.
The older I get the more I hate capitalism and America's disgusting bull**** oligarchy.
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:36 AM   #3857 (permalink)
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Maybe when you grow up someday you'll figure it out, but the more time you spend dealing with government (which I have), the more conservative you become. I was far left in high school through college. Once I got out into the real world and actually started running into government through my business, I became convinced (if nothing else) that they're far more incompetent than you could ever dream of. I have absolutely no faith in this point that the government will ever be able to efficiently create the kind of overarching social safety net the left would like to see while still affording Americans the autonomy that the right would like to see.
It's hilarious when people speak as if their experience is the universal human experience. Funny thing, I've grown more left wing as I've gotten older. I was always skeptical of government, but it took working in the corporate world for me to understand that corporations—contrary to the fantasy often peddled in the US—are generally disorganized, bureaucratic garbage dumps, where the people in charge are rarely the best and brightest and are far more often the best schmoozers or the biggest assholes. I also grew to understand that the prevailing corporate philosophy of perpetual growth is not only unsustainable but is actually a huge problem because it compels companies screw over workers, screw over any other people who get in their way, and degrade the environment. I've come to realize that government is one of the only even remotely effective levers we have against corporate misbehavior. Beyond that, just from living in the "real world", I've come to understand that the American right wing's supposed support of individual rights is bullshit.
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It's hilarious when people speak as if their experience is the universal human experience. Funny thing, I've grown more left wing as I've gotten older. I was always skeptical of government, but it took working in the corporate world for me to understand that corporations—contrary to the fantasy often peddled in the US—are generally disorganized, bureaucratic garbage dumps, where the people in charge are rarely the best and brightest and are far more often the best schmoozers or the biggest assholes. I also grew to understand that the prevailing corporate philosophy of perpetual growth is not only unsustainable but is actually a huge problem because it compels companies screw over workers, screw over any other people who get in their way, and degrade the environment. I've come to realize that government is one of the only even remotely effective levers we have against corporate misbehavior. Beyond that, just from living in the "real world", I've come to understand that the American right wing's supposed support of individual rights is bullshit.
See, that wasn't so hard. If Janszoon can do it, anyone can!

At least you have the common sense to recognize that not all corporations are as you describe. Still doesn't provide a strong argument against the problems I've already illustrated about government though. It's like you read two sentences of my post and then went off on a tangent about corporations.

See, I can decide whether or not I want to buy from a company. I don't get a say in how my taxes are used but the government takes it anyway (state and federal alike). Hence, from my perspective, the government has always been worse than any company and far scarier. Also, most of your criticisms about the corporate world apply to government, so if your goal was to support my argument then you hit the jackpot.

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To what, the cliche? My counter argument is the loads of people who deal with the government who think that logical liberal solutions still work.

This may not pertain to you, but I think that a lot of construct a bogeyman view of the government because they only associate with the government when they're forced to, and nobody likes that. Some people only see the negative parts that affect their lives and take a lot of the positive things for granted. Food for thought.
People can whine about the corporate world, but if the government has ever been able to do anything efficiently other than tax the living **** out of people and pay their employees on time, I've never seen it. Everything people hate about the corporate world - multiply it and you have the U.S. government.
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People can whine about the corporate world, but if the government has ever been able to do anything efficiently other than tax the living **** out of people and pay their employees on time, I've never seen it.
They restrict corporations pretty well through regulations that's why Trump is pushing so hard to get rid of them. He has this great idea of introducing one regulation and getting rid of two others or some crap like that. Mostly to benefit lobbyists.

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