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Chula Vista 03-20-2017 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1815369)
Pretty much. The Republicans have been able to define the national conversation to an extent that their positions are at least acceptable for debate, whereas the more liberal views of the Democrats are politically embarrassing. All things being equal both sides would probably be equally far right/left, but the political reality has hamstrung the Democrats.

To the extent that for a ton of rural, older, mostly white Americans, the priorities (when push comes to shove) are God, Guns, and Anti-Gubment, it's pretty easy to see why things are the way they are right now.

"It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve", is still a popular meme in a lot of those areas.

Cuthbert 03-20-2017 05:04 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7LqJ1sVAAAVm67.jpg

lol if this is real.

Lisnaholic 03-20-2017 06:33 PM

According to this guy's argument, Trump's conduct to date already justifies impeachment:-



My understanding is that there has to be much broader support for it, with politicians and public alike calling for impeachment, before any action is taken.

Alas, impeaching Trump wouldn't necessarily achieve much. I think the Republicans are treating Trump like a sacrificial pawn; put him out there, if he does some good for the cause, that's great. The day he is too toxic to be useful they'll throw him under the bus, because of course in this scenario the Republicans are playing chess, sitting on the sidewalk of a bus route.... Anyway, they'll just dust off their hands and try to push through many of the same policies with a less controvertial figurehead.

elphenor 03-20-2017 06:46 PM

I'm against impeachment ftr pending evidence of a real heinous crime

I'm for changing the election rules to something that actually resembles a democracy so we prevent these disasters

Lisnaholic 03-20-2017 07:07 PM

Yes, ditto on both of those. An impeachment on shakey grounds would be really hurtful to the image of US democracy. An impeachment attempt that failed to impeach would be even worse.

I was surprised to learn about the whole Electoral College weighting of votes in the US, which seems very unfair to the big citydwellers on both coasts.
If it's any consolation, the UK also has a complex voting system which also skews the idea of one man, one vote. Politicians (the electoral losers, of course) regularly call for Proportional Representation, but it hasn't happened yet because every party that wins under the existing system defends the existing system, regardless of what they may have said when they were the opposition party.

The Batlord 03-20-2017 07:09 PM

Our system exists because the rural South wouldn't have ratified the Constitution if they hadn't have had a voting counterweight against the more populous North. ****ty, especially since cities have an even greater share of the population today, but just a political necessity at the time.

Anteater 03-20-2017 07:28 PM

I'd vote for a more honest version of Barack Obama or Trump when he was in his mid 30's (when his thinking was more flexible and he leaned more left than right).

OccultHawk 03-20-2017 08:49 PM

His bitch ass is going to jail for treason and libel.

djchameleon 03-20-2017 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1815417)
Yes, ditto on both of those. An impeachment on shakey grounds would be really hurtful to the image of US democracy. An impeachment attempt that failed to impeach would be even worse.

Well that's what happened with Bill Clinton. They just didn't have enough votes to impeach him successfully. It was pretty close though.

Lisnaholic 03-20-2017 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1815418)
Our system exists because the rural South wouldn't have ratified the Constitution if they hadn't have had a voting counterweight against the more populous North. ****ty, especially since cities have an even greater share of the population today, but just a political necessity at the time.

That's interesting!
I used to think the Confederate flag was just a quaint bit of nostalgia, like humming along to The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down or watching The Good The Bad and The Ugly. Turns out those southern sentiments are nearer the surface than I thought.

EDIT: OK, thanks DJ, so there's a precedent for a call for impeachment that doesn't go all the way...


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