Yeah basically. People are too dumb to govern themselves on any large scale. And on any small, communist scale, well, any settlement would have to dispense with anything that large scale civilization gave them. Like vaccines. A kibbutz-scale settlement wouldn't be able to develop, let alone manufacture vaccines, so polio and smallpox are back. And bubonic plague and whatever the **** else. And god help anyone living in the malaria zone. So that's one horseman.

And you can't have major projects like the dams we have now, so any irrigation would have to be small scale like "back in the day", and therefore be subject to drought and therefore famine on a scale that modern, 1st-world countries generally aren't anymore. So people are dying of thirst and hunger.

But how do you solve those problems? I know! Form communities of communities to pool resources and labor, sorta like "countries". Which I'm sure would not at all lead to exactly the kind of capitalism that now exists. Nope.

Trying to explain scalability to someone who thinks Communism (or its cousins) would ever work at scale is a Stone Of Sisyphus situation if I've ever seen one. :p:

I wasn't even talking about equality in terms of property or wealth. People are unequal due to varying factors.

But some bankers and teachers are way better than their incompetent banker and teacher peers. I'm not even sure where this is going but I'm pretty drunk and up for something or other.

Well since I don't buy your idea that communism or socialism will change human nature so that the better bankers and teachers won't eventually be calling the shots, then your idea that communism or socialism somehow will not be "forced inequality at gun point" anyway is childish.

Communism and socialism have already proven themselves to be about as bad as ideas get.

Right up there with capitalism.

Yeah, sure. An abundance of food, electricity, goods and services is just as bad as a lack of them.

Who cares if the earth is becoming unsuitable to sustain human life?

Who cares that our militaries pose existential threats?

Who cares that huge chunks of India and Africa are plagued with malnutrition?

Who cares that South America has been nearly entirely destroyed?

Who cares that America is riding the waves of two separate successful holocausts?

Who cares that we carpet bombed and murdered millions of people in SE Asia to defend a ****ing ideology?

Capitalism. What a glorious success!

lol

That really is the crux of the counter argument.