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duga 04-13-2017 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1822910)
Yeah but I disagree with you both. The Allies wanted unconditional surrender, and the Japanese military command were worried that this might not exclude the execution of the emperor. As he was/is seen as divine, this would be the ultimate humilation and they vowed to fight on (or, more accurately, have their people fight on) to the end. They were definitely preparing to meet a US invasion; they were training civilians in the art of laying down their lives for the emperor.

Again, the military wanted to keep going - even after surrender, many of them committed suicide on the spot because they were so ashamed. Aside from the military, Japan knew they were done in the days leading up to the bomb being dropped. The political leaders were essentially begging the Soviet Union to act as a middle-man to broker a peace with the allies. After the Soviets declared war on them ending their neutrality pact in an effort to secure an unconditional surrender, essentially the ONLY concession they wanted was for the imperial family to live. Truman just wasn't having it.

Chula Vista 04-13-2017 01:18 PM

Holy Moly. The goalposts have been majorly moved.

First on CNN: US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan - CNNPolitics.com

21,000 pound bomb. That's like 70 Frowland's. :yikes:

Frownland 04-13-2017 01:20 PM

I rate it 4/10

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1822910)
Never heard of that. So there is no left wing in the US?



Yeah but I disagree with you both. The Allies wanted unconditional surrender, and the Japanese military command were worried that this might not exclude the execution of the emperor. As he was/is seen as divine, this would be the ultimate humilation and they vowed to fight on (or, more accurately, have their people fight on) to the end. They were definitely preparing to meet a US invasion; they were training civilians in the art of laying down their lives for the emperor.

Ja that sounds a lot like the propaganda points I mentioned earlier.

Check this out: Hiroshima: Breaking the Silence

Pet_Sounds 04-13-2017 01:39 PM

From Dwight D. Eisenhower's memoirs:

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During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'.
Admittedly, I haven't read up on Hiroshima/Nagasaki much, but I thought this was worth inserting into the discussion.

Trollheart 04-13-2017 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1822921)
From Dwight D. Eisenhower's memoirs:



Admittedly, I haven't read up on Hiroshima/Nagasaki much, but I thought this was worth inserting into the discussion.

Now that is interesting. Thanks man.
I still believe FDR deserves his place in history regardless. He was a great leader, even incapacitated as he was.

duga 04-13-2017 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1822921)
From Dwight D. Eisenhower's memoirs:



Admittedly, I haven't read up on Hiroshima/Nagasaki much, but I thought this was worth inserting into the discussion.

Exactly - Japan was obsessed with saving as much face as possible. They even found a silver lining with the bombs, thinking at least now people will see they HAD to surrender and the surrender didn't happen because of some social or political push.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1822930)
Now that is interesting. Thanks man.
I still believe FDR deserves his place in history regardless. He was a great leader, even incapacitated as he was.

You can still love FDR - Truman dropped the bombs.

djchameleon 04-13-2017 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1822916)
Holy Moly. The goalposts have been majorly moved.

First on CNN: US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan - CNNPolitics.com

21,000 pound bomb. That's like 70 Frowland's. :yikes:

We have been bombing caves in Afghanstan for ages. What's another ISIS cave bombing? Nothing but sensationalism.

duga 04-13-2017 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1822940)
We have been bombing caves in Afghanstan for ages. What's another ISIS cave bombing? Nothing but sensationalism.

Pretty much what I thought. Trump is going trigger-happy now, so the generals are probably jangling some ISIS keys in front of his face.

[MERIT] 04-13-2017 03:51 PM

EDIT: Not sure how to re-size this so it's not obnoxiously huge.

Fixed it ~ Exo

http://i.imgur.com/9OgYqYi.jpg?1

Goofle 04-13-2017 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1822936)
We are also incredibly empathetic and cooperative

And largely a product of social influences

You have an incredibly simple view of human nature rejected by most anthropologists at this point basically

Duh.

There's some nature and nurture involved in every aspect of our being.

More simplistic than saying humans are naturally greedy to some extent on average?


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