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elphenor 04-08-2017 07:04 PM

people are unequal in abilities

but not in a cut and dry hierarchical way

for example it's an entirely different skill set to have the empathy to teach vs. the shrewdness to run a bank

additionally people don't start on an equal footing, it's a rigged race

but even if we had an actual meritocracy it's of questionable morality for a whole lot of reasons

The Batlord 04-08-2017 07:11 PM

But some bankers and teachers are way better than their incompetent banker and teacher peers. I'm not even sure where this is going but I'm pretty drunk and up for something or other.

elphenor 04-08-2017 07:16 PM

it didn't stand contrary to my point that Capitalism is forced inequality "at gun point" so I feel like this is superfluous anyway

The Batlord 04-08-2017 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1821352)
it didn't stand contrary to my point that Capitalism is forced inequality "at gun point" so I feel like this is superfluous anyway

Well since I don't buy your idea that communism or socialism will change human nature so that the better bankers and teachers won't eventually be calling the shots, then your idea that communism or socialism somehow will not be "forced inequality at gun point" anyway is childish.

Goofle 04-08-2017 07:33 PM

Communism and socialism have already proven themselves to be about as bad as ideas get.

OccultHawk 04-08-2017 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1821359)
Communism and socialism have already proven themselves to be about as bad as ideas get.

Right up there with capitalism.

elphenor 04-08-2017 07:45 PM

A capitalist dictatorship is just as awful as a socialist one

See: China

Goofle 04-08-2017 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1821360)
Right up there with capitalism.

Yeah, sure. An abundance of food, electricity, goods and services is just as bad as a lack of them.

elphenor 04-08-2017 07:57 PM

See: Cuba

Pointing at already horribly impoverished and/or unstable countries and then going "see" is very self-serving

Like seriously, Russia was **** before the Bolsheveks that's why a revolution happened

OccultHawk 04-08-2017 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1821363)
Yeah, sure. An abundance of food, electricity, goods and services is just as bad as a lack of them.

Who cares if the earth is becoming unsuitable to sustain human life?

Who cares that our militaries pose existential threats?

Who cares that huge chunks of India and Africa are plagued with malnutrition?

Who cares that South America has been nearly entirely destroyed?

Who cares that America is riding the waves of two separate successful holocausts?

Who cares that we carpet bombed and murdered millions of people in SE Asia to defend a ****ing ideology?

Capitalism. What a glorious success!


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