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DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 09:31 AM

It's certainly part of the reason, but you don't want to admit that part. And that's fine, I'm a monster. Actions have consequences, and I am not responsible for other peoples bad decision making. I have no problems with unexpected pregnancies, mentally/physically handicapped, inner city problems, etc.. but when you start purposefully having a 3rd, 4th, 5th kids (when you can barely take care of yourself) cause hey welfare and make yourself unemployable then you need to figure your own **** out.. It's not my responsibility or the governments to assist people who willfully contribute nothing to society. I'll leave that for the volunteer/non-profit, and whatever other groups form. I volunteer and do charity work because I care about other peoples well being, not because I feel some obligation to do so.

If that makes me a terrible person in your eyes, I'm okay with that, but your utopian 0 consequences view of how the world should exist is beyond impractical and incredibly naive. Are you the guy that doesn't show up for class, misses an assignment, and then expects full credit when you hand **** in late?

Frownland 04-28-2017 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1828925)
It's certainly part of the reason, but you don't want to admit that part. And, that's fine, I'm a monster. Actions have consequences, and I am not responsible for other peoples bad decision making. I have no problems with unexpected pregnancies, mentally/physically handicapped, inner city problems, etc.. but when you start purposefully having a 3rd, 4th, 5th kids (when you can barely take care of yourself) cause hey welfare and make yourself unemployable then you need to figure your own **** out.. It's not my responsibility or the governments to assist people who willfully contribute nothing to society. I'll leave that for the volunteer/non-profit, and whatever other groups form. I volunteer and do charity work because I care about other peoples well being, not because I feel some obligation to do so.

I think the biggest issue is how do we even find out who is abusing it and who genuinely needs it since at the level you describe, it all just comes down to intent which is incredibly difficult to determine. That, and people born into a culture of welfare thinking it is the only option and never consider alternatives. I have a friend who went through the foster system who's like this.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 09:42 AM

I don't disagree with that at all, Frown. I'm not trying to make this into some simple "try harder" position.

elphenor 04-28-2017 09:46 AM

You realize the alternative is to let children starve

Welfare is for children, you get next to nothing from the gov if you're single

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 09:53 AM

So who's the bigger piece of shit: me or the people having kids they can't take care of?

Since you're not willing to actually put any effort into your responses, I'll continue to respond in an equally lazy way.

elphenor 04-28-2017 09:54 AM

Think about this practically

Are you willing to starve children because "personal responsibility"

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 09:56 AM

Yes and no. Have fun :)

Frownland 04-28-2017 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1828938)
Think about this practically

Are you willing to starve children because "personal responsibility"

Are you willing to continually allow people to raise their children in bad conditions to avoid personal responsibility?

It's not either/or. Both scenarios exist, use the grey colouring pencil for once.

elphenor 04-28-2017 10:01 AM

Are we going to strip kids from their mothers?

Is the gov going to raise them

Who pays for that

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2017 10:02 AM

The rich of course. It's their fault after all.


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