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Chula Vista 06-01-2017 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1841884)
His term is gonna be over before we are supposedly even officially pulling out. I guess if he's re-elected at that point you can worry about it then.

And yet the fallout has already started. When China and European countries align in condeming a US move, you know it's big.

Lisnaholic 06-01-2017 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1841875)
I don't think the question is whether climate change is or isn't happening. But the answer to fighting it has less to do with Al Gore and what I quoted before was pointing out and more to do with the continued expansion of renewable energy technologies (which government has very little to do with). Whether or not the U.S. leads that particular effort is of little to no consequence.

I agree that most of the conservatives who won't acknowledge climate change at all need some serious re-education.


TBH Anteater, I'm surprised to see you say that it's of little or no consequence whether the U.S. leads the effort to continue the expansion of renewable energy technologies.

Trump's decision to back out of the Paris Agreement is making headline news around the world, and I trust more the (yes, cherry-picked) opinions of these guys as to how important it is, than your suggestion that deciding what America's role will be is "of little or no consequence":-

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Former President Barack Obama, who negotiated the Paris deal for the US:-

"The nations that remain in the Paris Agreement will be the nations that reap the benefits in jobs and industries created."

US Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer:-

"President Trump's decision to withdraw from the Paris Climate Agreement is a devastating failure of historic proportions. Future generations will look back on President Trump's decision as one of the worst policy moves made in the 21st century because of the huge damage to our economy, our environment and our geopolitical standing."

French President Emmanuel Macron:-

"I tell you firmly tonight: We will not renegotiate a less ambitious accord. There is no way. Don't be mistaken on climate; there is no plan B because there is no planet B."
Also, I don't understand why you post a message from an anonymous girl in a bikini who denegrates funding research into addressing climate change as a " shakedown...extracting billions of dollars of taxpayers' money", but then post your own opinion that the way to fight climate change is through "the continued expansion of renewable energy technologies."
Surely, the research of the former leads to the expansion of the latter. A recent example of this quite normal process might be the internet; original research funded by the taxpayer led to a technological expansion of considerable benefit to us all.
If the girl in the bikini is a friend of yours perhaps you'll ask her how she morally justifies scorning the cost of research while enjoying the benefits it brings.

Chula Vista 06-01-2017 07:14 PM

Man, this is blowing up big time globaly. The guy appeased his 35% shrinking base while pissing on 190+ plus ally countries.

Countries now opposed to the Paris accord.

Syria
Nicaragua
United States

Mondo Bungle 06-01-2017 07:15 PM

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Lisnaholic 06-01-2017 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1841915)
Man, this is blowing up big time globaly. The guy appeased his 35% shrinking base while pissing on 190+ plus ally countries.

Countries now opposed to the Paris accord.

Syria
Nicaragua
United States

Wow! The USA has just joined a small club with a really embarrassing membership list. I wonder if they'll get invited to Mar-a-Lago to beef up their solidarity together.

The Batlord 06-01-2017 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1841921)
Wow! The USA has just joined a small club with a really embarrassing membership list. I wonder if they'll get invited to Mar-a-Lago to beef up their solidarity together.

And people wonder why we had Prohibition. Our rednecks are unionized.

Pet_Sounds 06-01-2017 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1841923)
And people wonder why we had Prohibition. Our rednecks are unionized.

To be fair, I think your rednecks have always brewed their own.

Anteater 06-01-2017 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1841905)
TBH Anteater, I'm surprised to see you say that it's of little or no consequence whether the U.S. leads the effort to continue the expansion of renewable energy technologies.

Trump's decision to back out of the Paris Agreement is making headline news around the world, and I trust more the (yes, cherry-picked) opinions of these guys as to how important it is, than your suggestion that deciding what America's role will be is "of little or no consequence":-



Also, I don't understand why you post a message from an anonymous girl in a bikini who denegrates funding research into addressing climate change as a " shakedown...extracting billions of dollars of taxpayers' money", but then post your own opinion that the way to fight climate change is through "the continued expansion of renewable energy technologies."
Surely, the research of the former leads to the expansion of the latter. A recent example of this quite normal process might be the internet; original research funded by the taxpayer led to a technological expansion of considerable benefit to us all.
If the girl in the bikini is a friend of yours perhaps you'll ask her how she morally justifies scorning the cost of research while enjoying the benefits it brings.

1. It really isn't of any consequence. Other than our GDP and obesity rates, what does the U.S. actually "excel at" over other countries right now? If your looking for the latest and greatest in environmental technology, most of that isn't being developed here. The only thing we can really boast about is that it's easier to establish a successful small business here than, say, Ireland or Germany.

2. The point of posting that anon message was to show there's two sides to every story. The truth is somewhere between the "cherry picked" opinions of the liberal elite and what was described in that post. Both sides have their respective agendas, and there's a lot of $$$ at stake. My opinion is a compromise between two extremes that each hold part of the truth.

3. The Internet would have never made it to the public without private enterprises who were willing to develop the things most people take for granted (like UX and UI related advances). Otherwise we'd still be stuck with massive magnetic tape mainframes in countless warehouses and we'd have a population far less educated about the internet that we do now (if things had gone a little differently). We all owe a big debt of gratitude to Tim Berners-Lee and others in that space for that.

4. The advances you are currently seeing in renewable energy research (especially the solar boom) are all because of the deregulation of those industries. As in, government pulling away so that people have more choice in the market. Here in north Texas, for example, there are a mix of regulated / deregulated areas and providers. I happen to live in an area that still hasn't been deregulated, so I don't get to choose to get my power from a more environmentally friendly provider or even install solar without going through fifty mountains of paperwork and hassle.

Exo 06-01-2017 08:47 PM

I hope we get taxed up the ass by every single country until we join everybody in Paris. I want this country to dip into the mud with only the strong keeping their heads above the dirt. Then, Trump can be publicly lynched, the middle of the country can be flamethrowered, and we can start anew with a brand new outlook on how to be a country.

I've never despised a person so much.

Anteater 06-01-2017 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1841939)
I hope we get taxed up the ass by every single country until we join everybody in Paris. I want this country to dip into the mud with only the strong keeping their heads above the dirt. Then, Trump can be publicly lynched, the middle of the country can be flamethrowered, and we can start anew with a brand new outlook on how to be a country.

I've never despised a person so much.

His chances of being re-elected in three years are looking ridiculously slim. Most of the independents who swung his way back in November will not give him the benefit of the doubt again. So you won't get a lynching, but you'll see the political equivalent of that in 2020.

Also, this is the best article I've read in quite a long time. And from Salon of all places.

Wake up, liberals: There will be no 2018 “blue wave,” no Democratic majority and no impeachment - Salon.com


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