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elphenor 05-16-2017 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1836158)
I mostly see him get in a debate here when someone provides a very generalized and simplistic view of something, usually armed with the point of "it's a lot more complex than that."

he's more about trying to simplify things as moral failures of individuals whenever I've presented a systemic issue

rostasi 05-16-2017 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1836163)
I do. Re-read my post a couple pages back.

Yes, I understand. You have a bad case of repetitio unitatum.

Frownland 05-16-2017 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1836166)
he's more about trying to simplify things as moral failures of individuals whenever I've presented a systemic issue

A systematic issue can also be an oversimplified explanation, especially if you ignore other factors. From what I've read here, his posts are more along the lines of "well there's that, plus this" than "**** that nonsense, think this instead."

elphenor 05-16-2017 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1835575)
You can look to native tribes with high life expectancy where healthcare is basically non-existent or based around holistic/herbal medicine. Next?

this sounded interesting, but I can't find any evidence of it whatsoever btw

It's exceptional for hunter gatherers to have an average life expectancy above 50

exceptional in that I can't find a single verifiable example of it

Frownland 05-16-2017 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1836173)
this sounded interesting, but I can't find any evidence of it whatsoever btw

It's exceptional for hunter gatherers to have an average life expectancy above 50

Ja I thought that sounded like a questionable naturalist claim too.

Chula Vista 05-16-2017 04:05 PM

There is simply no way this dude is going to survive his first term. I'm taking bets on whether he simply quits, or gets forced out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/u...tion.html?_r=0

Exo 05-16-2017 04:13 PM

I'm convinced he's tired of working so much and is trying to tank.

Frownland 05-16-2017 04:18 PM

I wonder if a request like that is considered illegal if there is not any (proven) action behind it? I don't disagree that the firing was related to this and was done to cover Trump's ass, but proving that kind of intent in court is an incredibly difficult thing to establish. Not to mention that the president has the privilege of replacing members of the executive branch for any reason, so any kind of unjust firings claim would fall flat there.

I thought that the threat of tapes was genuine and that that would be his ticket out, but I researched it and Washington D.C. has one-way consent laws for recording (meaning that you don't need someone else's permission to record any conversation you have with them). So that's totally legal and not grounds for impeachment.

DwnWthVwls 05-16-2017 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1836173)
this sounded interesting, but I can't find any evidence of it whatsoever btw

It's exceptional for hunter gatherers to have an average life expectancy above 50

exceptional in that I can't find a single verifiable example of it

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1836174)
Ja I thought that sounded like a questionable naturalist claim too.

To clarify, I did not mean for the point to sound like an appeal to nature fallacy. It was really just to demonstrate an example of how accessible modern healthcare is not heavily tied to health. You can point to their life expectancy to debunk my claim, but I think that ties more into environmental conditions and births/early life mortality than the actual health of the people. Technology and modern medicine may keep us alive, but it does very little to keep us healthy (You don't make money off the healthy ;)).

You can look at the history of the Okinawan people for one example.

You can also check out this very recent study: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...xt?elsca1=tlpr

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1836166)
he's more about trying to simplify things as moral failures of individuals whenever I've presented a systemic issue

I don't simplify things. I just come here to shine a light on your boogeymonster mentality every time you decide to use it to justify your position. I have not said once in this thread that healthcare is a non-factor. My position is it's not the primary cause you are making it out to be.

I'll stop bringing up responsibility when you stop blaming the world for everything that's wrong with people. There are **** ups on both ends, but you'd rather live in denial of that fact and just blame everything that goes wrong on some oppressing force.

Chula Vista 05-16-2017 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1836169)
Yes, I understand. You have a bad case of repetitio unitatum.

Or just a failing memory perhaps?


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