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Frownland 06-02-2017 11:44 AM

I get that, I just don't consider it to be as severe as you and many others do. I don't hold any kind of respect for my country or its offices to begin with, so maybe that's colouring me obtuse here.

OccultHawk 06-02-2017 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1842007)
It's all about worldwide public perception. Backing out sends a very bad message to a lot of our allies. Like I said earlier, when you have China and Europe mutually agreeing that the US has done something stupid - that says a lot.

I definitely agree.

OccultHawk 06-02-2017 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1842008)
I get that, I just don't consider it to be as severe as you and many others do. I don't hold any kind of respect for my country or its offices to begin with, so maybe that's colouring me obtuse here.

Well, imagine life for the citizens of countries that have been ostracized from the world community and ask yourself if that's a life you want to live.

Frownland 06-02-2017 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1842011)
Well, imagine life for the citizens of countries that have been ostracized from the world community and ask yourself if that's a life you want to live.

Examples of this happening to countries with a monopoly on being the world's superpower though? It's a possibility but I don't think it's a surefire formula tbh.

OccultHawk 06-02-2017 11:57 AM

I think it's debatable that we hold such a monopoly but ok good point. That brings me back to the pretty rich girl in junior high. She still doesn't want to go at it alone. I'm personally very uncomfortable alienating everyone except Saudi Arabia and the Philippines but you're right. It's debatable how much domestic damage Trump's unorthodox foreign policy is doing. I think losing our alignment with Europe is really bad.

Chula Vista 06-02-2017 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1842009)
I definitely agree.

I have marked this day on my calender. :p:

Frownland 06-02-2017 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1842013)
I think losing our alignment with Europe is really bad.

Our government might not be legislatively aligned with those countries on this issue, but I think that there is still more common ground than not at this moment. I think it's kind of short-sighted to view this withdrawal as the nail in the coffin as far as that's concerned.

There're things like this: Angela Merkel Suggests Germany Can't Count on the U.S. Under Trump, but really, how bad is it to not be Germany's go to for aid and does it mean that they've in turn deserted us? And is her word good?

djchameleon 06-02-2017 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1841998)
There's a reason we regulate utilities, you're treading dangerous ground

I agree though the law is tilted against solar power and the like, direct subsidies go to the fossil fuels industries as well

Why not instead we tell Corporations to start switching to green or start ****ing off

The utilities market is so horrible right now and in most areas they are just a monopoly and you have no choice put to sign up with them and the crappy energy they provide. I don't see anything wrong with having companies that supply green energy being an option for people that want it while giving them lower rates than the area monopoly company that just does whatever they want and charges their customers variable rates based off of the seasons. Higher in summer sincr everyone wants to pump their AC and higher in winter.

It is fine to have the delivery side regulated but the supply side shouldn't be.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1842016)
Our government might not be legislatively aligned with those countries on this issue, but I think that there is still more common ground than not at this moment. I think it's kind of short-sighted to view this withdrawal as the nail in the coffin as far as that's concerned.

There're things like this: Angela Merkel Suggests Germany Can't Count on the U.S. Under Trump, but really, how bad is it to not be Germany's go to for aid and does it mean that they've in turn deserted us? And is her word good?

I think her word is pretty good. There are numerous opinion articles out there claiming she is now the leader of the free world. She has enough influence for that to actually be true.

OccultHawk 06-02-2017 12:50 PM

Frown

I think you're underestimating how quickly things can change in this world.

Frownland 06-02-2017 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1842024)
Frown

I think you're underestimating how quickly things can change in this world.

Politically or environmentally?

Idk man, if it's the former I don't think this is the issue that's going to do it.


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