Obama used to blame stuff on Fox News all the time. Trump just doing that on a much yuger scale. :tramp:

I like that dog food analogy.

Those Brits can ****ing get over it. How about genuine issues like policies instead of the most boring comedy of manners that I've ever seen in my life? (that's saying a lot btw).

Pointing out miss-information > blaming.

It's really not about the Brits, it's about GCHQ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govern...s_Headquarters

US Intelligence Agencies and GCHQ have worked closely together for decades to insure stability on the planet. Spicer pulling them in to try and defend Trump's lastest BS fantasy is WAY beyond below the belt.

There's lines you can creep up on, and occasionaly poke a toe over, but then there's lines you simply don't blatantly step over - for the sake of all parties involved.

Spicer is an idiot for that, truly. They're just as dumb for getting upset about it from people who notoriously act like a bunch of jackasses. Nobody comes out of this looking good.

Spicer is just a sock puppet for The Donald. And no, they are not dumb for being upset. If today, you and I share a bunch of extremely sensitive secrets, that only we know about, it's obvious we've built up a ton of trust in one another over the years, right?

I come on MB and post that Batlord likes ****ing rocks in the hope that there might be a snake under one of them. My own intelligence agencies come out and say that my accusations, while entirely compelling and utterly believable, are unfactual.

So I then post, well Frownland told me it's true.

What happens to our trust?

GCHQ has a long history of not making public statements. They stay above it all. The fact that they came out on this allegiation so strongly speaks very large volumes.

I'd be like "nah" and then you'd look like an idiot while I went on with my business that mattered.

Thx, brah.

Nice try bucky. Have a nice day. Hope you have all the windows open - glorious weather.

It's your analogy man, don't pin it on me.

Don't be lame Frowny. No one likes lame Frowny. Be the engaging Frowny. Even if your point has been proven as weak, own up man. You blamed the Brits for being whiny. I pointed out why that was not the case.

And your first recourse is to go into "lame Frowny mode".

I like the other guy a lot better.

If they give a ****, they're whiny bitches. End of story. Check out the link above your post for something that matters if you want a change of pace.

So basically open ended authority to take military action but deniability for Trump, Neat.

Not really. He blamed Fox News for turning the ACH and later the situation with Benghazi into widely debated points of criticism for his administration.

If Trump had more finesse, he'd have done what Obama did and became buddy-buddy with all the top guys at Time Warner as opposed to just guys like Rupert Murdoch. When the vast majority of your media that reach the greatest population centers are all centrist / left leaning, that's who you want on your side when establishing an administration.

I was wondering...
Could we just post a wrap up summary every
few weeks and get back to talking music again?

"So far, Trump has been mercifully incompetent"

"I'm" "going" to "start" "posting" "everything" in "quotes" from "now" on.

Translation:

Me or someone else, may or may not, begin to or delay until later, opining or maybe saying nothing at all, a thing, two things, maybe even three things, in a manner that's open to wide interpretation if necessary, starting today, tomorrow, next week, or maybe never.

http://archive.is/nP3rk
Wait didnt Donna Brazile say it was Russia who was part of the debate question leak? Ha what a dumb ****ing bitch. Big ****ing surprise. No shock here once again this Russian narrative is retarded.

Kinda funny how CNN wont touch her with a 10 foot pole. That's when you know how ****ing corrupt your party is when they're leaking debate questions and one of the heads of the DNC isn't welcome on the Clinton News Network.

2020 will be awesome for the democratic party at this rate. I look forward to seeing Hillary Clinton getting wrecked by her own party.

Trust me, I don't think anybody who would invest the time into doing it would be unbiased about it and it'd ultimately become a semantics discussion muddying the facts. Or sumn stupid like that.

Well, I just did it - and it took seconds.
...just a look at all of the calamity of the past weeks at a glance.
Yeah, there's all kinds of stupid shit spewing all over the walls like a busted blood vessel going on for nearly 400 pages,
but at least it could be in a concentrated form and everyone could actually spend their time discussing more MUSIC.

You came to the wrong place to discuss music.

What do you think this is?

Some kind of music forum?

MFW we're discussing politics in a political forum.
:finger::finger::finger::finger::finger::finger:

I presume InfoWars is off the graph.

It's on this graph that's a tiny bit more accurate.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...0-%20Imgur.jpg

That graph is based on Pew poll results.. It is from 2014, but to say something based on actual statistical analysis is less accurate than some made up chart with no research? :(

Here's How Liberal Or Conservative Major News Sources Really Are - Business Insider



vs your chart: http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/vira...s-biased-media

Yeh, it wasn't meant to argue your point or anything.. just something interesting I found and felt like adding on.

Edit: the article was just posted to show the origin of DJs chart, nothing more.

Here is the article written by the charts creator: The Reasoning and Methodology Behind The Chart – All Generalizations are False, if you feel like reading it.

Maybe you just don't understand the difference between someone who is specifically liberal and someone who is more conservative?

https://www.studentnewsdaily.com/con...beral-beliefs/

Going by this, I'm centrist with a conservative bent. But that makes sense considering I identify as a Libertarian.

And as I've told you in the past: follow the money. Look at the parent companies of the major news organizations and where they donated. Very easy to see just how many more of them are liberal overall. I'm not wrong: you just never bothered to look.

The Libertarian Party could've at least waited until it picked up a little steam before it watered down into mainstream bull****. Even the alternatives are no longer alternatives.

Why are you talking about politics like you'd talk about black metal lulz. The biggest problem IN politics right now is we don't have enough Libertarians in any position that actually matters. Hyper-polarization is why nothing gets done (since everybody hates each other), combined with both the Democrats and Republicans insatiable greed for money. We need a good third party to go mainstream in order to fight problems like this.

Maybe you'll eventually figure it out when you've lived a little longer, but the more time you spend dealing with government (which I have), the more conservative you become. I was far left in high school through college. Once I got out into the real world and actually started running into government through my business, I became convinced (if nothing else) that they're far more incompetent than you could ever dream of. I have absolutely no faith at this point that the government will ever be able to efficiently create the kind of overarching social safety net the left would like to see while still affording Americans the autonomy that the right would like to see. Conservatives understand this, which is why they want the federal government to take a lesser role in the first place.

Social issues I'm still more left than right, since at the end of the day the government does need to take a prominent role of some kind in providing for the people. Whether or not those ideals actually WORK in reality, however, is the million dollar question. Europe, after all, still has it's fair share of problems and they're supposedly lightyears ahead of us when it comes to welfare.

The one thing I can tell you for sure is Communism will never work. Ever. :p:

This is hands down my least favourite cliche ftr.

You're gonna give yourself carpal tunnel if you keep patting yourself on the back like that man.

Hey, all I can do is speak from experience. If you want to be condescending, try stepping into my shoes for a day or two. :thumb:

I'm condescending and open minded how about that

Or, you know, you could try a counter argument. Or something with substance. Maybe I'm asking a bit much? :D

Polarization gets nothing done and centrists by definition want to keep things the same. What good is a third party if it only wants to continue with what's already being done?

To what, the cliche? My counter argument is the loads of people who deal with the government who think that logical liberal solutions still work.

This may not pertain to you, but I think that a lot of construct a bogeyman view of the government because they only associate with the government when they're forced to, and nobody likes that. Some people only see the negative parts that affect their lives and take a lot of the positive things for granted. Food for thought.

The older I get the more I hate capitalism and America's disgusting bull**** oligarchy.

It's hilarious when people speak as if their experience is the universal human experience. Funny thing, I've grown more left wing as I've gotten older. I was always skeptical of government, but it took working in the corporate world for me to understand that corporations—contrary to the fantasy often peddled in the US—are generally disorganized, bureaucratic garbage dumps, where the people in charge are rarely the best and brightest and are far more often the best schmoozers or the biggest assholes. I also grew to understand that the prevailing corporate philosophy of perpetual growth is not only unsustainable but is actually a huge problem because it compels companies screw over workers, screw over any other people who get in their way, and degrade the environment. I've come to realize that government is one of the only even remotely effective levers we have against corporate misbehavior. Beyond that, just from living in the "real world", I've come to understand that the American right wing's supposed support of individual rights is bullshit.