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Cuthbert 03-29-2017 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1817622)
His transformation into the kind of person he would have hated back in the day is now complete. It's been disappointing to watch.

Also, it's hilarious that he actually thinks he's working class.

Seen him on Question Time and he didn't come across well there imo especially toward the end.

https://youtu.be/Xj5R5o-yhcc

Frownland 03-29-2017 05:23 PM

Trump to Sign Bill Repealing Obama-Era Internet Privacy Rules | Fortune.com

Prepare for an overflowing spam folder and a rise in identity theft.

Anteater 03-29-2017 09:19 PM

^ Looking at my own inboxes, I don't see how it could get any worse. :p:

Also, +1 for Spicy Boy.


The Identity Matrix 03-29-2017 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1817925)
^ Looking at my own inboxes, I don't see how it could get any worse. :p:

Also, +1 for Spicy Boy.


I'm not a big fan of Spicer, but he certainly has his moments.

The Identity Matrix 03-29-2017 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1817942)
He's just lying though wow so impressive

It's his job to spin for the president and he's had so much practice at this point I guess he'd better be good at it

I know what he is doing. Like I said, not a fan of his but his delivery was on point though.

The Batlord 03-30-2017 10:30 AM

I think they missed an opportunity by not hiring Don King as Trump's press secretary.

Lisnaholic 03-30-2017 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1817940)
I mean I'm not going to say you're incorrect because the meanings of words can change based on being misused for extended periods of time

I just think using Communism when what is meant is Socialism contributes to a lot of the confusion people have about Marxist ideology

^ No problem. You prompted me to clarify something I was vaguely confused about. Thanks for that :thumb:

And with Trump, another day means another sinister development:-

Van Jones: Trump may have signed Earth's death warrant (Opinion) - CNN.com

The Batlord 03-30-2017 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1818063)
Like something you might not understand about traditional John Locke Liberalism is that he lived in a world with an abundance of free land to anyone who wanted to settle it

So yeah property rights were sacred

But what happens when all the land is already owned? What good is that right now?

When you start asking these questions you arrive at the next evolution of Liberalism

Not only that, but a world where wilderness was seen as a waste, and where settled land, which had been altered and made useful to humans, was the only worthwhile land.

The Batlord 03-30-2017 01:20 PM

Yeah I might not be much of a socialist, but I still understand that capitalism presumes a world that it can infinitely exploit.

riseagainstrocks 03-30-2017 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1817632)
Conservatism is the NEW Counter-Culture

So PJW and the InfoWars brigade get into a fight with their ideological opposites on twitter and tumblr and think he's winning a "culture war" because of his anecdotal data of being buried in positive messages from teenagers.

Got it.

Culture is certainly shifting, but at as long as Republicans, and by extension, the alt-right, consider themselves a bulwark against godless liberalism, Islamic degeneracy, and all the other buzzwords and phrases they use, aren't they claiming the center of Western culture? Using his phraseology, it seems they, by definition can't be a "counter-culture" as they're attempting to reclaim a "pure" culture as opposed to one that's been polluted by outsiders. In his view, liberalism is counter to American culture - popularity of the movement is irrelevant, especially considering the 'reclamation' identity Trumpism has engendered.

What I don't understand is how people like yourself (nonsense myopia trolling aside, you make generally interesting/cogent posts) can't separate the hysterical hyperbole of the SJWs, who I agree are obnoxious and borderline totalitarian, from the core of the animating issue, namely social libertarianism. Individual freedom to marry. Check. Individual freedom to identify as male, female, other, Check. Individual freedom to congregate with people who think like you and have discussions, marches, parties, prayer groups, etc. Check.

It's like PJW and large swaths of his fan base have seen a couple YouTube videos featuring women calling for male genocide and have determined that every self-identified liberal/feminist agrees with that; which is absolute nonsense. I'm happy to debate policy with anyone, but I'm tired of being lumped in with a vanishingly small minority of "liberals" so wrapped up in identity politics that they have become the very thing they purportedly oppose.

If you have an element of PJW's philosophy that you agree with and would like to discuss, I'd be happy to. My experience is anecdotal to be sure, but there seems to be a malicious glee taken in upsetting other people. I see the movement as one of disaffection, filled with personal grievances and lashing out at those formerly in "power" (cue *liberaltears.meme*). What am I missing?

DwnWthVwls 03-30-2017 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1818020)


This is excellent news. Now I don't have to fear the future, policy writing, elphenor.

DwnWthVwls 03-30-2017 02:03 PM

I don't think we have a migrant problem. That's just you putting words in my mouth because we have different takes on the proper way to handle it and you like to draw false comparisons between Germany and the US.

I'd stay and bicker with you, but I have to go to class. Have fun at work.

Chula Vista 03-30-2017 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1818096)
Yeah I might not be much of a socialist, but I still understand that capitalism presumes a world that it can infinitely exploit.

You have to have have-nots in order to have haves.

Have.

djchameleon 03-30-2017 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1817836)
Trump to Sign Bill Repealing Obama-Era Internet Privacy Rules | Fortune.com

Prepare for an overflowing spam folder and a rise in identity theft.

To follow this up, come mid terms you guys that do actually bother to vote better remember these names.

Names of Senators and Representatives and how much they received from lobbyists for Media companies

Also of course Blackburn got up and said that non-sense speech of hers because she got paid 84k.

The Batlord 03-30-2017 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1818160)
To follow this up, come mid terms you guys that do actually bother to vote better remember these names.

Names of Senators and Representatives and how much they received from lobbyists for Media companies

Also of course Blackburn got up and said that non-sense speech of hers because she got paid 84k.

So 6 out of 11 of my state's representatives (Virginia) voted for this. Including this asshat, Morgan Griffith. No real reason to post this guy's pic other than to laugh at his bought ass. How do you even agree for this to be your official pic?


https://www.govtrack.us/data/photos/412485-200px.jpeg

Chula Vista 03-30-2017 03:11 PM

All republicans. Go figure. The party that screams bloody murder about intrusions into a citizen's privacies.

djchameleon 03-30-2017 03:12 PM

ROFL, why didn't he just tell them to re-take the picture?

Also Planned Parenthoods are about to close down in mass.

Pence casts tie-breaking vote to advance bill that would let states withhold federal funds from Planned Parenthood - LA Times

Chula Vista 03-30-2017 03:24 PM

75 days in:

Screw the environment - Check.
Take away women's rights - Check.
Fail on healthcare reform - Check.
Turn over the EPA to EPA corporate owners - Check.
Turn over Secretary of state to an oil baron - Check.
Nepotism already in the white house - Check.
Insults the **** out of his predeccessor - Check.
Inrease defense funding which may shut down to goverment - Check.
Pissed off China and Germany - Check.

I could go on.

Chula Vista 03-30-2017 04:46 PM

Katie Walsh, the White House's deputy chief of staff, axed in the wake of the failure of repeal and replace.

Flynn and Walsh gone in the first 12 weeks. At this rate he'll renting out half the West Wing by the summer of 2018.

Neapolitan 03-30-2017 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1818194)
Katie Walsh, the White House's deputy chief of staff, axed in the wake of the failure of repeal and replace.

Flynn and Walsh gone in the first 12 weeks. At this rate he'll renting out half the West Wing by the summer of 2018.

ok whatever, it ain't like we need a play-by-play.

Why don't you take a break from politics and post your Top 50 Led Zeppelin albums: http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...50-albums.html

Chula Vista 03-30-2017 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1818202)
ok whatever, it ain't like we need a play-by-play.

Why don't you take a break from politics and post your Top 50 Led Zeppelin albums: http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...50-albums.html

I'm bored out of my mind sitting in a large conference with 14 others listening to a Chinese women getting deposed through an interpreter.

TL:DR

**** off.

DwnWthVwls 03-30-2017 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1818202)
ok whatever, it ain't like we need a play-by-play.

Why don't you take a break from politics and post your Top 50 Led Zeppelin albums: http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...50-albums.html

.

Neapolitan 03-30-2017 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1818176)
75 days in:

Screw the environment - Check.
Take away women's rights - Check.
Fail on healthcare reform - Check.
Turn over the EPA to EPA corporate owners - Check.
Turn over Secretary of state to an oil baron - Check.
Nepotism already in the white house - Check.
Insults the **** out of his predeccessor - Check.
Inrease defense funding which may shut down to goverment - Check.
Pissed off China and Germany - Check.

I could go on.

I guess Al Gore failed to brainwash Donald Trump into believing in "catastrophic anthropogenic global warming." Imagine the money Gore could had made if he only woke Trump to his Sasquatch-size carbon footprint.

Blood And Gore: Making A Killing On Anti-Carbon Investment Hype

DwnWthVwls 03-30-2017 06:47 PM

If Al Gore is your resource for global warming, you're doing it wrong.

Neapolitan 03-30-2017 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1818224)
If Al Gore is your resource for global warming, you're doing it wrong.

I said "catastrophic anthropogenic global warming," not "global warming."

Goofle 03-30-2017 07:03 PM

Not a fan of the stuff Trump has been doing recently, especially regarding NASA and basically issuing quotas for women in STEM fields.

Bad Donald.

He's still not Hillary, so every day is a blessing.

DwnWthVwls 03-30-2017 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1818227)
I said "catastrophic anthropogenic global warming," not "global warming."

Same thing really.

Goofle 03-30-2017 07:07 PM

Well... no.

I don't know enough about the subject to give any definitive opinion (good cases on both sides) but there's clearly a difference.

DwnWthVwls 03-30-2017 07:10 PM

There aren't good cases on both sides.. it's idiots vs reality.

and I've provided you with TONS of resources on more than one occasion now, but you never bother to actually look at it.

I even made a thread about it, that never got any traction, so interested people could have some good resources to reference: http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...ange-ipcc.html

OccultHawk 03-30-2017 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1818236)
There aren't good cases on both sides.. it's idiots vs reality.

and I've provided you with TONS of resources on more than one occasion now, but you never bother to actually look at it.

I even made a thread about it, that never got any traction, so interested people could have some good resources to reference: http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...ange-ipcc.html

It ain't even worth it. At this point you either understand or you're retarded.

Key 03-30-2017 07:35 PM

Flynn wants immunity before he speaks. Bye Trump.

Pet_Sounds 03-30-2017 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1818228)
Not a fan of the stuff Trump has been doing recently, especially regarding NASA and basically issuing quotas for women in STEM fields.

Bad Donald.

He's still not Hillary, so every day is a blessing.

Funny, the two things you mentioned are two of my favourite things he's done since entering office.

Neapolitan 03-30-2017 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1818232)
Well... no.

I don't know enough about the subject to give any definitive opinion (good cases on both sides) but there's clearly a difference.

"Global warming" One could admit that average temperature of the Earth which would be "global warming" without coming to the conclusion that its primary cause is man-made. One is just admitting to the current trend of the average temperature increasing.

"CAGW" is a bird of a different feather. It primarily faults man-made carbon emissions thus the "anthropomorphic" aspect to it. It also predicts that AGW will lead to a catastrophic affect on the Earth.

Al Gore Despair as Global Warming Scam Fails


Look into Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley. Unlike Al Gore who likes to yell "bull****," he is very well spoken and provides quite a convincing arguments.

Lucem Ferre 03-31-2017 01:50 AM

When it comes to global warming I trust the cosmologists and meteorologists that spend their whole lives studying this and have absolutely nothing to gain from lying. Yeah, I've heard the bull**** about them lying to keep a job or what ever like we will one day decide that we don't give a **** about predicting weather or hurricanes any more.

They all say that the globe is warming and it is linked to the amount of C02 in our atmosphere which is directly linked to the C02 we emit mostly from huge factories and power plants and **** like that. I have searched and I cannot find one person who's occupancy specializes in the study of weather or atmospheres or anything like that that denies that global warming is real and a man made threat. Of all of them that say it's real, I've found one that says that even though it is a man made threat, it is no where near as imminent of a threat as media portrays and that we have plenty of time to fix it before irreversible damage happens. But yeah, none that out right deny global warming being a man made threat.


I challenge anybody to find a climate scientist, a cosmologist, a meteorologist or anybody that has anything to do with studying the specific fields of atmospheres or weather patterns that denies global warming. I put my faith in those dudes more than I do with your ****ing oil industries and politicians that still think talking snakes existed.

Goofle 03-31-2017 06:23 AM

Nobody with any sense argues that the planets temperature hasn't gone up about 1 degree over the past 100+ years. The argument is what we should do about it, and to what extent humans are at fault for that. I'm all for preventing air pollution wherever possible, and let's look at alternate sources of energy.

OccultHawk 03-31-2017 07:46 AM

Yeah

Let's do that before mankind is left without an energy source!

(It's kind of implortant- even without the little climate change dilemma)

rostasi 03-31-2017 08:31 AM

Michael Flynn: People Granted Immunity ‘Probably Have Committed A Crime’

video

Frownland 03-31-2017 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1818328)
and to what extent humans are at fault for that.

The jury is no longer out. We are responsible for the unique rate of change that we are experiencing.

This is a great resource that addresses pretty much all of the mainstream climate change denial arguments in both laymen's terms and more in depth scientific explanations. It is incredibly well-sourced and transparent.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

Chula Vista 03-31-2017 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1818306)
When it comes to global warming I trust the cosmologists and meteorologists that spend their whole lives studying this and have absolutely nothing to gain from lying. Yeah, I've heard the bull**** about them lying to keep a job or what ever like we will one day decide that we don't give a **** about predicting weather or hurricanes any more.

They all say that the globe is warming and it is linked to the amount of C02 in our atmosphere which is directly linked to the C02 we emit mostly from huge factories and power plants and **** like that. I have searched and I cannot find one person who's occupancy specializes in the study of weather or atmospheres or anything like that that denies that global warming is real and a man made threat. Of all of them that say it's real, I've found one that says that even though it is a man made threat, it is no where near as imminent of a threat as media portrays and that we have plenty of time to fix it before irreversible damage happens. But yeah, none that out right deny global warming being a man made threat.


I challenge anybody to find a climate scientist, a cosmologist, a meteorologist or anybody that has anything to do with studying the specific fields of atmospheres or weather patterns that denies global warming. I put my faith in those dudes more than I do with your ****ing oil industries and politicians that still think talking snakes existed.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Lucem Ferre 03-31-2017 12:41 PM

So, if oil comes from the breaking down of fossils over millions of years then how would we run out? Like, aren't other dead things going to break down over millions of years? Is there just some huge gap in time where things didn't live and we will have an oil shortage for a time?

I just don't fully understand this oil crisis thing. Couldn't the oil industries basically just tell us there is a shortage just so they can hike up the prices and make tons of money?


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