you asked a stupid question

*fuck off

The laughter never ends. :D :D :D

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Ha KEK
:laughing::laughing::laughing:

Actually that's just a ****ty political joke that only biased people from the opposite party ever laugh at.

I think the word "joke" is generous.

Yes.

I thought the SNL skits about Trump were hilarious though, and that's about as mocking toward him as it gets. You guys need more flexibility.

You outlined alt-right talking points with unflattering pictures. That's literally what they think happened. I don't get how that's a joke.

The difference between that and the SNL Trump send ups (which are frankly hit or miss with me) are they exaggerate character flaws and mock his fragile ego. They hardly touch on actual policy because the circus is where the humor is. An equivalent joke with Obama would be if he's so zen he ignores the fire burning his house down or something or speaking more "black" to an all black audience and giving a "white" version of the speech to a white crowd.

inb4 no sense of humor

It is a pretty lame joke considering Obama's legacy is doing just fine. The more buyers remorse sets in the better Obama looks in hindsight.

Did ya see the recent Fox News poll on Trumpcare? The majority of Republicans are against it.

27% because it doesn't change Obamacare enough.

66% because it changes Obamacare too much.

Read that last sentence again. 2 out of 3 Republicans hating Trumpcare because it messes with Obamacare too much.

:D:D:D:D

I saw that on CNN today and practically had to go beat off. Some Repugs actually think it's too liberal though. As long as it doesn't pass I'm cool.

SNL is trash though and their political sketches are cringey as ****.

I enjoy a lot of things ironically. Except yacht rock and smooth jazz. Those are foh realioz.

Why are you obsessed with Obama still and why in this thread

And yeah Repubs are getting gun shy now that it's time to actually murder their constituents

Why even cite a Fox News poll when I've seen you put them on the same level as Breitbart and Infowars? We don't tolerate no conservative bias 'round here!

Because he's still very relevant when discussing Trump. He's great meme material.

No

And no

It's basically the most irrelevant unfunny thing in politics rn
It was an obvious and pathetic attempt of a dodge to begin with that only his most devout followers went slobbering after

Trump Tower was wiretapped by the FBI from 2011 to 2013, but for a supposedly unrelated investigation that had nothing to do with Trump himself. Plus it predated his bid for the presidency by at least a year. Still interesting though.

The joke becomes funnier the more information you actually have. And the reactions I'm seeing so far are just icing on the cake. :D

You got the wrong guy. I've never compared Fox with either of those two. I used Fox because if I'd used CNN you would have come up with a similarly lame retort.

You got proof on that claim about the FBI and Trump Tower? Or you just throwing it out their to deflect from your terrible Obama joke?

How 'bout some Newsweek?

The FBI Did Wiretap Trump Tower, But Not to Monitor Trump

You should know by now that I love to deal in facts, even if you disagree with my viewpoints on whatever is being discussed.

CNN and Fox are both equally "lame".

This isn't actually what happened

More importantly, it's meaningless, it's a dodge

It doesn't even belong in this thread

Wrong again. If Trump Tower was ever wiretapped in the last few years by the FBI for any reason then that's a very big deal and justifies Trump's "feelings" so to speak. Why? Because unless you are completely naive, then it should be obvious that the FBI collected a fair amount of information beyond the confines of that particular investigation for that time period. You really think they only bugged one floor? I don't buy it, and nobody else will either.

Again, you can't have it both ways. If you, Chula, etc. are going to stick to the view that there's a possibility that Trump ever corroborated with Russia despite a lack of any hard evidence, then you need to acknowledge possibilities in regards to some of these other allegations too, especially considering what we know about the FBI and NSA's capabilities. They aren't paradigms of morality any more than Trump is: they're just a million times better at controlling their audit trail. The insinuation game works both ways, and the truth is always somewhere in the middle.

Either way, the whole thing is a clusterfuck that makes both Trump and our intelligence agencies look worse than they did before.

So the FBI had a court approved warrant to tap some suspected Russian criminals renting space on the 63rd floor in Trump Tower?

And that relates to exactly what in regards to Trump?

Again, nice try at a deflect. And that poll is not a Fox News "story". It's just published poll results. Similar results have been posted by numerous sorces.

Bottom line: Trumpcare is going to be a major black eye for the Donald.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...care/21904839/

EDIT: The courts gave the FBI approval to tap ONLY the phones of those tenants. You're beginning to sound like Sean Spicer.

Dude, I'm here anytime you are done missing the point completely. I'm sure the FBI would never, ever do anything outside of the bounds of legality. Go read my last post if the implications of all this are "lost" on you, especially since officials over the last week said Trump Tower was never wiretapped for any reason.

I've seen all the polls. You specifically cited a "Fox News poll". Don't be obtuse.

Officials said that Trump was never tapped at Trump Tower. And the FBI taps of suspected Russian criminals is confidential government information. THE FBI HAS NEVER TAPPED TRUMP'S LINES AT TRUMP TOWER. The Russian taps were well before he even announced he was running for office for cripes sake.

I cited Fox for your benefit. If I'd cited anyone else you would have immediately dismissed it. Who's the one being obtuse here.

Your republican Trump boner is once again robbing your brain of blood. And don't bother with the same ole, same ole, "I'm not a republican and I don't even like Trump BS."

Your posts speak louder than your denial of the tone of your posts.

I'm of the opinion that the gov did spy on Trump as it spies on everyone of any notoriety (just not really in the way Trump claimed, that's not what evidence has shown)

nobody care though except again, Trump supporters easily distracted by shiny objects

"uhhh OBAMA YES THIS WILL WORK"

1. Assumptions, and naive ones at that. You don't know what the FBI does or doesn't do, and Trump is right to be paranoid about them even if he's wrong about their method of surveillance. You only know what is told to you thirdhand from sources that have already filtered and scrubbed it down. As for me: one of my best friends and neighbors was part of the FBI for 30 years. The stuff that they do outside of what the media actually "knows" about would knock your socks off.

2. I think most polls are garbage regardless of who conducts them (having done that work myself long ago in college), so if you did it for my "benefit" then you messed up. At best, they provide a fractured picture from groups that are hardly representative of anything. People are having kneejerk reactions to the AHCA (and it does need a lot of work), but nobody really wants the ACA either as it is.

3. You should try demonstrating critical thinking in regards to our government regardless of who is or who is not in power. What I'm talking about is way more serious than Trump, a guy who won partly because of timing and will very likely lose his next bid for re-election once the incompetent Democrats get their shit together. He's a symptom of a greater set of problems, and this stuff with the FBI, the NSA, etc. should illustrate that better than anything else.

Did you read the poll though?

Yep, he's talking about the most recent one. But if you read the fine print on media who have "covered" this story:

"The poll, which has a 3 percent margin of error, was conducted by telephone with live interviewers from Sunday through Tuesday among a random national sample of 1,008 U.S. registered voters."

That's a very small sample size, plus we don't have any demographic breakdowns or any real information on how these interviewers conducted their questions. Which is why you end up with results that say "man, in comparison to the AHCA we really love the ACA that we said we hated before" even though that makes no sense whatsoever. A lot of people who dislike the AHCA disliked the ACA as well.

I think I'd like it at this point if Paul Ryan would hop on a big-ass hot air balloon and fly away, never to return. :D

"Oh **** I'm getting grilled let me make some ridiculous obviously false statement as a distraction"

And everyone plays fetch with the jackass

Ant plays the following cards:

1. I know someone who was in the FBI therefore what I post has more merit.

2. I use to conduct polls therefore what I post has more merit.

3. My assumptions have more merit than your assumptions.

No-one said that anyone loves the ACA. Nice try though. What the poll states is that the the majority of those asked, who identified themselves as republicans, said they think the ACHA is departing too radically from the ACA.

Did you read the updated CBO report that was issued yesterday? Trumpcare is even worse that what they first reported now that they have studied the changes being made to try and get it to pass the house.

(is this where I'm supposed to post a smilie to show that I'm just having fun with all of this?)

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Get ready to meet:

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Edit: mother****.

Correct: what I say has more merit than you (in this particular argument) because I have more real world experience and know a wide range of people whom I actively communicate with and learn from, which in this case includes an FBI veteran. I sincerely apologize if you don't like that. You may not be having fun, but I love this stuff. :finger:

You are a pretty smart guy, but I also realized a long time ago that we'll probably never agree on anything outside of music.

As for Trumpcare, I had a wait and see attitude coupled with a high degree of skepticism. The skepticism I had proved to be well warranted. You didn't need to sell me on that.

My assumptions about biochemical engineering are totally meant to be taken seriously because I like know people and stuff life experience man

My best friend is an architect so I can design and build you a house for you if you want.

As Chula likes to say, swing and a miss.

As the MB tradition of making metaphors confusing and hyper-specific goes, I think it might be the pitcher.

1. All of your information is second hand news from people who shouldn't be sharing the information in the first place.

2. You haven't a clue about my real world experience so **** off with your assumptions and your arrogance.

Trump just ordered Paul Ryan to yank the ACHA bill because it was going to fail miserably. The republicans had 7 years and 1 day to figure out how to repeal the ACA. They have campaigned for that entire time and have won seats on the premise they were going to do it once Obama was out of office. Trump guaranteed he'd get it done. Guaranteed it over and over again. Trump has a majority in the house and senate.

FAILED MISERABLY.

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Ryan and Price already have tire tracks across their butts. Trump's next few tweets should be very amusing.

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Well since we want to talk about metaphors and analogies...

This is the difference between getting your information secondhand and thirdhand. In the context of what we're talking about, my skepticism of the FBI is based on secondhand information from a close friend who knows that world very well. If we can't respect real world experience and learn from it, then what can we value? Chula, however, thinks thirdhand information is better than secondhand and wants to debate me. By default, he loses.

Firsthand would be if I were an FBI agent myself.

/end-of-lesson