i know very little about US presidents but JFK wins because that dude mastered the art of giving speeches.



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It's all about Teddy Roosevelt and Grover Cleveland.

I agree with you on his speeches. However, JFK had the potential to be one of the greatest. I completely agree with his philosophy and as his presidency continued, he clearly had his eyes opened as to the problems with our current government and the solutions. Unfortunately, he did not live long enough to see many of those solutions enacted.

I always think about what would have happened and where we would be if JFK had lived and had 2 terms.

the garbage can guy from sesame street?

Nah the president who was like "oh this Benjamin Harrison guy, I can take him." Then everyone voted for Harrison in an upset and it sucked. That was when Cleveland came back and was like "miss me bitches? I told you it would be bad" for his acceptance speech before putting on sunglasses and walking away as the podium explodes behind him.

Grover Cleveland is a boss.

Let's be honest though, those words got watered down and used too aggressively real fast.

What's that H with an arrow on that pic?

Hillary Clinton's campaign logo.

Thx.

Is it funny that the arrow is pointing to the right?

No. It's logical.

If political campaigns are anything like the movies, then it was a wise choice.

Left or Right? Why a Character's Lateral Movement On-Screen Matters in Film

I think it's even simpler. Movement from left to right is perceived as movement forward, most likely due to our direction of writing.

Well ja that's the source of the cinematographical standard. It's backed up by Arabic readers being the opposite in that sense.

There's a big fat DUH lurking amongst the last half dozen posts.

So Nunes has lost a boatload of credibility. Maybe him and Bannon can share a room on the "getta outta the Trump bandwagon" cart?

Classified docs contradict Nunes surveillance claims, GOP and Dem sources say - CNNPolitics.com

Why Bannon is losing (opinion) - CNN.com

I bet that's hell on Japanese directors.

Yeah but I mean she was supposed to be left, wasn't she? Democrat? Left? No? Am I getting this wrong? Should it not be pointing to the left (which, I realise, would be essentially pointing backwards, not good) or at least up?

I realize where you were coming from, I was showing why the arrow pointing to the left wouldn't have been a good move.

FDR authorized the development of the atomic bomb which ushered in the era of nuclear warfare and nuclear proliferation. He never mentioned the Holocaust in any public speech. Did not sign anti-lynching legislation. He sign Executive Order 9066 which lead to the forced relocation and incarceration of 110,000 Japanese into interment camps. Quite a legacy. Why, who would want to deny that?

Everyone knew what you meant. FDR made America great again, the way it was before before 1929. And FDR is responsible for American exceptionalism, by getting us out of the war. See FDR was the commander and chief of US armed forces that defeated the Nazis, thus consequently getting us out of the war. I apologize for mentioning the Allies, British Spies, and the restistance because that subtracts from American exceptionalism. FDR MAGA!

How does Antifa "predominate a big chunk of the media"? That's a ridiculous claim. And don't try to associate Antifa with the Democratic Party and the Clinton campaign, it makes no sense.

The Syrian war is a fully flegded imperialist war. The recent involvement from the US is alarming and should serve as a wake-up call to all peace-minded individuals. We who live in imperialist countries need to build a strong anti-war movement, like the ones that existed during the Vietnam and Iraq wars. I suggest checking if the PSL is active in your area, they're a Marxist party that spends a lot of effort on anti-imperialism and anti-war.

The Democratic Party and the GOP are both right-wing. Labelling Hillary Clinton as "left-wing" makes the term completely meaningless.

Also, FDR didn't win the war, the USA didn't win the war, and the nukes over Japan didn't win the war (Japan would've surrendered anyway). For the sake of nuance: I would have been speaking German right now if it hadn't been for the Red Army. Seventy years ago there were literally hanging posters in Norwegian cities giving the Soviet Union (and Stalin!) credit for having liberated Norway from the Nazis. It sounds ridiculous now, but it was a normal sentiment back then. Today it's different, we're nearly told that the US won the war with help from the Allies. And it almost seems to me like some people are trying to create a cult of personality around Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Here in the U.S. that meme is more in reference to common kneejerk reactions from U.S. liberals to people challenging their views. Lets think about it.

Most media outlet lean heavily liberal - check

How Biased Is Your Media?: A New Freakonomics Radio Podcast - Freakonomics Freakonomics

http://www.businessinsider.com/proof...ademia-2014-11

Most major universities throughout the U.S. are "liberal" (American interpretation of it anyway) - check

Many graduating from these universities become writers for all the major and secondary media outlets outside of the Fox News / Breitbart-sphere....check check check.

The end result is you have a generation of self-proclaimed "liberals" writing and propagating their views who started off as the sort of SJWs the meme I posted referenced...and they are the majority right now.

Also watch this:

Some times I feel like I could just report the facts of what's going on. Like boring ass plain facts and I'd be accused of being liberal for it.

I'm also getting sick of these pandering bull**** fake news sites that make tons of money off of their ****ty over exaggerated face book videos. All they do is say, "Hey, black people, gay people, women, you're all victims, this system is against you, you will never succeed". It's like, they make money off of making people feel alienated. Not to say those people don't have problems, but when they go out of their way to post hyperbole or just flat out fake stories to do it, it's annoying.

And cultural appropriation is ****ing stupid. Oh, I'm not supposed to braid my hair because it's stealing from black culture. Well I'm actually trying to steel it from native culture. And I'm a very small fraction native so I can do it according to your stupid rules. **** those rules. I'll start wearing panchos to spite you.

Having a hard time getting to your bottom line point of this post. Quite a bit of ranting and raving is making it hard to make sense.

Spell it out in 15 words or less please so I can intelligently respond.

3 points.

1st summed up by elph, reality has a liberal bias.

2nd is there are too many lying news outlets that pander to the liberal crowd with bull**** on facebook.

3rd Cultural appropriation is a stupid concept SJWs invented to be outraged because it's a hobby to them.

Edit: Haven't you learned by now that I like to ramble about pointless **** half the time?

I'd even go as far as to say reality has a communist bias.

Fox News has higher ratings than CNN and MSNBC combined. Where do the sheep roost?

See my previous post. Also, go suck Rush Limbaugh's dick.

Donald Trump. Kellyanne Conway. Steve Bannon. Sean Spicer. Ivanka Trump. Justin Kushner.

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What does that have to do with what I said?

No.

Bill Barron had a carbon fee and dividend he wanted to put into effect if he was elected into the US Senate back in 2012. He wanted to tax the oil industries based on the amount of CO2 they would release in the air every year and give that money to tax paying citizens. The tax was supposed to increase more and more as time goes by to help push towards alternative fuels. He never got elected, hardly anybody has heard of him. It was my job to spread awareness. I failed him, Chula, I failed him. I don't think I really believed in him though. Needless to say, I failed that college assignment. But I might still have a bunch of his ****. Maybe even a shirt. Bill Barron, a working man trying to save the earth, that's what he was. And I let him down.

lol

Our biology wouldn't back that up. Greed is about as inherent as the need for sleep. I suppose you can achieve that through a combination of huge welfare programs and good old capitalism, but that isn't communism.

Capitalism plus huge welfare programs equals social democracy, but that's not what I'm proposing. What are you getting at?

Also, on what do you base your claims about "human nature"? If they can't be backed up, then they're nothing more than ideologically based assumptions, unfit for political discussion. Common sense doesn't cut it.

But pretty soon we're going to have to move this to another thread.

So the US has two right-wing parties? I don't get that.
Bolded: yes they did of course. Japan were preparing for a full-fledged American invasion and readying their people to die for the emperor. Even after the first atom bomb was dropped they refused to surrender; it was only after the second one hit that they agreed. Yeah, really sounds to me like a country preparing to surrender.

Japanese troops rushing out with their hands up as Enola Gay flies overhead: "Don't do it! Don't do it! We surrender! We surre - Ah ****!"
:rolleyes:

Also, I said FDR won the war in the Pacific, if you remember.
That's not in doubt.

Lol this is what you call responding intelligently? Funniest bit is that you don't think fake pandering news happens on the left just because it's popular on the right too. Gold!

What's not to get? Both our wings are conservative.

Nah bombing Japan was some dick waving to scare off Russia (which backfired). We were incredibly close to winning that front anyways. Plus, the whackily loyal Japs and the whole concept that the bombing saved more lives than it cost is pure grade USDA approved organic bull****. It really was a swimmingly smooth propaganda campaign though, look at how popular both of these ideas are.

1. I was pointing out a current system that has seemingly done it's best to provide a platform to keep every person relatively able to fill their greed, not to say that was what you advocated for. I specifically said it wasn't communism (or whatever system you want) in fact.

2. You need proof of inherent human greed? I'm not the best at finding studies, and there seems to be some on either side of the fence (or that it's a balance) but sometimes common sense and empiricism seems to be the best option.

3. I wasn't using my view that most people are greedy to support a political ideology. I'm against the huge welfare programs I mentioned, for example.

So who deserves to be recognized with an overall positive legacy to you, exactly?

FDR is recognized as a great president on both sides of the aisle. Much like democrats give republicans their Reagan legacy (even though he really screwed up more than he fixed), no one really trashes FDR. Again, I'm not going to even bother responding with details because your arguments have all the nuance of a 10 year old.

The military leaders of Japan wanted to continue the war, but the emperor wanted it to end. Before the bomb was dropped, he was hoping to negotiate a peaceful surrender. That was the whole point of the US insisting that the Soviet Union declare war on them. Truman decided he wanted to show off how big the US's dick was and went ahead and dropped the bomb, even though the war was all but over. This, combined with Truman backing out of a lot of the concessions made to the Soviet Union between Stalin and FDR, essentially started the Cold War.

Edit: Just saw Frownland talked about this.

I think this is all posturing. Russia isn't really pissed off. They are only putting on that act to take the heat off of how friendly Trump is with Russia and all the investigations that are currently going on. They are still close and buddy buddy. We even warned Russia about the attacks before they happened so that they could pass the info onto Syria. It's the main reason the base we attacked the **** out of was fully operational like two days after.



No, more like one of our wings is conservative and the other is moderate but likes to argue that they are completely on the left and don't want to cooperate with the conservatives.

Dumbass - he said that the media has a liberal bias. I didn't say anything about only the right having fake news. Nice try and putting words in my mouth though.

Not sure where to post so I'll post it here.

US drops 'mother of all bombs' on IS-held caves in Afghanistan

Calling me a dumbass is simply projection. Read Lucem's post again mate.

To which you replied

As if because it happens on the right it doesn't happen on the left. I'll let you get back to jerking yourself off though.

Hope you didn't waste too much of your day crafting that retort. My point still stands.

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Never heard of that. So there is no left wing in the US?
Yeah but I disagree with you both. The Allies wanted unconditional surrender, and the Japanese military command were worried that this might not exclude the execution of the emperor. As he was/is seen as divine, this would be the ultimate humilation and they vowed to fight on (or, more accurately, have their people fight on) to the end. They were definitely preparing to meet a US invasion; they were training civilians in the art of laying down their lives for the emperor.