Aloysius

I can't help feeling that parts of the left are currently suffering a version 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' in that the far right is anti-islam, so taking the opposite stance seems like it must be correct. In the same way many on the right become climate change deniers simply because a push for cutting emissions is seen as a policy of the left.

There have always been thugs in Manchester but in past decades it was more of a join a gang and fight other gangs sort of thing. Killing innocent young girls at a concert is a different thing and it's disingenuous to see it as unconnected to a religious culture that sees these girls as sinners who deserve to die.

Chula Vista

Or maybe he just wanted to do the most outrageously unthinkable thing imaginable. Killing children always ups the outrage, fear, and response levels.

Not to mention a bunch of guys were killed and injured too. That arena is the largest in England so it's an obvious target to inflict the most damage. Plus one of the biggest pop stars today probably had filled all 22,000 seats.

I'm on the left. I dislike the broad brush painting of Islam. I hate terrorism for any reason but I also really dislike people who lump a whole group of people together because of the acts of a extremely small percentage of that whole group.

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Justthefacts

Okay fair enough. I don't think anyone (Rep/Dem) are lumping a particular race of people onto terrorist watch lists. Many Muslims actually love American music and would happily come to the west and enjoy somewhat freedom. But it'd be foolish for us not to keep an eye out on specific people I.e profile. Whether they be black, Muslim, white. At such a strange time like this, the last thing we need in the west is an attack on our homeland, and certainly not one that could've been prevented. Thankfully though terrorism isn't as prevalent here as it is in France or the UK. So we're doing something right.

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Cuthbert

Maybe but I think a lot of it is to do with just defending the brown pplz (because as we learned on here recently, Islam is a race) as well though.



Islam is a religion, Muslims are people. It is possible to think Islam is a c*nt of a religion without thinking every single Muslim or even most of them is a c*nt with extremist views in the same way people can think religion in general is retarded without judging every single religious person. As you were asked the other day who is actually doing this? A few of the posters on here who have posted criticisms of Islam on this thread are from places in England with significant to high Muslim populations, have probably gone to school and college with them, worked with them, went round their house and had tea with them and know full well they aren't all arseholes. You are pissing in the wind trying to make this point about 'not all Muslims'.

Is there a single poster on here who thinks every single Muslim is an extremist?

Chula Vista

How about the FACT that the overwhelmingly vast percentage of people who practice the Islamic religion are not actually c*nts?

So calling Islam a c*nt religion is a pretty ignorant and bigoted thing to say.

Classic broad brush mentality.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Cuthbert

No it's not it's an opinion on the religion without necessarily having an opinion on the people who follow it (to whatever extent). You are simply incapable of separating ideas from people.

Chula Vista

Some people like Morrisey as a singer. I don't. All of his fans are therefore c*nts.

There's is absolutely no difference between this statement and you calling Islam a c*nt religion.

Don't talk down to me when it's you tripping all over yourself trying justify your ignorant comments.

Abortion doctor and worker killers, Timothy McVeigh (an admitted believer in God) = Christianity is a c*nt religion.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Cuthbert

I didn't say that though

I didn't say 'a c*nt religion', that's something you've pulled out of your arse. The words used were 'a c*nt of a religion' so maybe this is why you are confusing yourself. The point of my original post was that they (a religion and it's followers) are not the same thing, and you can have a negative opinion of the religion without having a negative opinion of it's followers.

I can and I will.

I'm not though, it's not my fault you have difficulty reading mate.

That's not what I'm arguing

Chula Vista

Read this a few times in the morning when you are totally clear headed and then get back to me.

Just nailed my point for me. Why would anyone have a negative opinion of Islam?

Goodnight.

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Cuthbert

tf are you on about? It is morning, don't know if you've noticed but I live in the UK

What I posted makes perfect sense.

Not necessarily because of it's followers if that's what you're getting at. Again you are not capable of separating one from the other.