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Old 06-04-2017, 05:11 PM   #671 (permalink)
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essentially you are saying its all our fault and the path forward to solving it is recognizing our guilt... so how do you pursue that in a way that is going to stop the people who are already driven to kill us?

i've said it once, i'll say it again

you have to look at guys like sayyid qutb to understand the modern manifestation of islamic terror. the motivations are both religious and political. there is no either or, that's a false dichotomy.

sayyid was a man who lived in egypt in the early to late 20th century and was a dissident of the secular regime. he sought to create a state in egypt that was ruled by islamic principles and sharia law. he was an inspiration for the likes of al zawahiri and osama bin laden. he laid the foundation on which ISIS is attempting to build an actual islamic caliphate.

do they hate western imperialism? yes, because it subverts their own imperialist ambitions. would they still hate the west without western imperialism? almost certainly yes, because they view us as godless, decadent, and slaves to our carnal nature.

that is the ideology we are talking about in a nutshell. trying to put the shutters on and only speak about western foreign policy is an ironically ethnocentric pov espoused by leftist cowards who feel such immense guilt for being the benefactors of the current global imperialism that they neurotically suppose that everything every other culture does is somehow a reaction to our own, landing us : western civilization - neatly in the center of the universe.

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Old 06-04-2017, 05:16 PM   #672 (permalink)
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What's your solution, boss?
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Old 06-04-2017, 05:19 PM   #673 (permalink)
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i don't know. as i said i have been considering converting but i still can't grow a proper beard.
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Old 06-04-2017, 05:27 PM   #674 (permalink)
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Well

I'd say you got the problem summed up pretty well. Maybe we should try not to think about it.
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Old 06-04-2017, 05:31 PM   #675 (permalink)
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no, it's too enticing

the islamists are going to slowly but surely seduce us into the kind of police/security state that we will inevitably need to become. and those with some sense of humanity or guilt will continue to whine about it all along the way.

how can you not watch such a spectacle
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Old 06-04-2017, 05:36 PM   #676 (permalink)
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It has to beat out Spotify

The Muslims are boring. 20 dead here. 7 there. It's been a big yawnathon since 9/11.
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Old 06-04-2017, 06:01 PM   #677 (permalink)
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I like Queen Rania's ideas about stopping this war. I don't think it's anyone's job to defend their identity however if this was given a go it may work.

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Ah you can't do that: then it'll be every attack is carried out by your sister! "SIS kills 48 in attack on football stadium" - Why'd you do that, sis? "SIS bomber takes out St. Paul's" - "Sis, what are you trying to prove? I SWEAR I didn't take a loan of your little black dress!"
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Old 06-04-2017, 06:10 PM   #678 (permalink)
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Ah you can't do that: then it'll be every attack is carried out by your sister! "SIS kills 48 in attack on football stadium" - Why'd you do that, sis? "SIS bomber takes out St. Paul's" - "Sis, what are you trying to prove? I SWEAR I didn't take a loan of your little black dress!"
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Old 06-04-2017, 07:06 PM   #679 (permalink)
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do they hate western imperialism? yes, because it subverts their own imperialist ambitions.
This is true insofar as the political elite of every society exploits and seeks to continue to exploit the proletariat

It actually has jack **** to do with our decadent society for this class, they are rich men themselves

And according to polling the common man isn't chiefly concerned about it either

this is a re-wording of the "they hate our freedom" argument, it's absolute propaganda



why is the populace so easy to mobilize against us the answer is easy, our Imperialism
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pov espoused by leftist cowards who feel such immense guilt for being the benefactors of the current global imperialism that they neurotically suppose that everything every other culture does is somehow a reaction to our own, landing us : western civilization - neatly in the center of the universe.
I know he's banned again

but the **** kind of terrible person do you have to be to equate being uncomfortable with subjugation at your hands to cowardice
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