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Old 06-01-2017, 05:54 PM   #141 (permalink)
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My congressmen vote against pro-environment policies at will. They're practically anti-earth. I'm not calling them. They are all Republican, and I have fundamental, ideological differences with them about the issue.

No state in the Union has congressmen that voted down more pro-environment legislation than my state, especially in the past year.

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Old 06-01-2017, 08:19 PM   #142 (permalink)
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Yeah so he announced pulling out and I meant vent but somehow got auto corrected to ven't. Weird. They have voicing their displeasure with his decision but that is all they could do. The mayor of NYC declared that they will still follow the rules of the accord so I guess it is up to local and state governments to decide now but aren't required to federally. He basically did it to back his coal cronies/lobbyists.
^ Yes, agree about coal cronies, and as you say it sounds like at a local level some governors and mayors will be going their own way regardless, which is good news.

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My congressmen vote against pro-environment policies at will. They're practically anti-earth. I'm not calling them. They are all Republican, and I have fundamental, ideological differences with them about the issue.
No state in the Union has congressmen that voted down more pro-environment legislation than my state, especially in the past year.
^ That's a shame, Wpnfire. Sorry to nag, but actually what you say is also a good reason to call them! You don't have to speak to them, or enter into an argument, you just register that you are not happy about what they're doing in your name, like this:-

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Hello, I am a constituent calling from ____________________, and I am calling to urge Sen./Rep.______ to support legislation to ensure the U.S. will continue to work toward the emissions standards we agreed to reach in the Paris Climate Agreement.

[if you feel inclined, ask where the Congressperson stands on the EOs].

It is urgent we protect our planet from the dangerous effects of climate change and respect international agreements. In fact, even Exxon Mobil has stated we should remain in the Paris Agreement.

Thank you for your time.
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Old 06-08-2017, 06:59 AM   #143 (permalink)
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For once, a cheering piece of news about the environment:-

Renewables provide more than half UK electricity for first time - BBC News
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Old 06-14-2017, 05:56 AM   #144 (permalink)
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Here's a link to some photos showing the effects of climate change; most have a poignant beauty about them:-

What climate change looks like
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Old 06-14-2017, 08:23 PM   #145 (permalink)
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Old 06-16-2017, 05:14 PM   #146 (permalink)
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^ haha! The beauty is in the pictures - the terror is in the captions and statistics.

This article should carry a tl;dr warning, but if you are curious about climate change, it might be interesting; ironically, given the concern about rising sea-levels, drinking water is set to become "the new oil".
Read this and you will also be able to impress people by talking about "virtual water" and how it's being traded all the time, but is never mentioned by governments or economists.

BBC - Future - Why

Also how the environment is affecting world politics today:-

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In Syria, meanwhile, the worst drought in close to a millennium has been partly blamed for the country’s generation-defining civil war and radicalisation that led to the formation of so-called Islamic State. That history-making drought drove more people to cities, saw rising food prices, and exacerbated tensions in the country that already existed. They ended up with “climate refugees”, who travel to other countries to seek places that have better water availability, which may in turn stoke the flames of political tension.
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Old 06-16-2017, 06:35 PM   #147 (permalink)
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Flint Water Crisis: Michigan Health Chief Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter : NPR

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Some justice has come out of this but people there are still drinking from bottled water and having to get case loads at a time.
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Old 06-18-2017, 10:32 AM   #149 (permalink)
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^ That story sounds like Erin Brockovich, The Remake . The lady holding up the baby's bottle of polluted water certainly scored a great PR goal.

Prompted by that recent discussion in another thread, I thought I'd post this graph again, which indicates why our behaviour is significant on a whole range of environmental issues; there is just such an unprecented number of people on the planet now:-



Even though each of us is only one of seven billion, we should at least try to reduce our environmental impact. Unfortunately, that often means making small, worthy but rather dull choices. And that description brings to mind the Ethical Consumer magazine, which I have vague intentions about, but don't actually read:-

EC Issue166 - May 2017
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There will be no meaningful change until it is legislated

Mainly because it's not the 7 billion as individuals that are the problem

it's Corporations, it's large unregulated private industry
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