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Goofle 05-01-2017 01:01 PM

What did those environmental groups do with that money if you can remember? Asking out of genuine interest, not being smarmy.

Trollheart 05-01-2017 03:25 PM

Nobody uses plastic bags here anymore since the Govt brought in the tax on them, making the shops have to charge for them. Now almost everyone has bought one usually recyclable cloth bag which they bring when they go shopping, and occasionally you might need to buy one or two more, but mostly you bring your own bags. Small, flimsy plastic bags are still available but they're pretty useless for anything more than a few small items and most people don't bother: I've seen people walking out of Tescos holding a bunch of shopping in their arms. Seems to have worked for us anyway.

elphenor 05-01-2017 03:42 PM

Really sticking it to the socialists by letting the Wal-Mart bags fly free

Trollheart 05-01-2017 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1830316)
Really sticking it to the socialists by letting the Wal-Mart bags fly free

We've certainly seen a decrease in the amount of plastic bags just dumped on the ground since the system was initiated anyway, so it's been good for the environment. Not sure you can mock that to be honest.

elphenor 05-01-2017 04:16 PM

Hollywood pansy liberals I'm triple bagging my next 2 item purchase

Stephen 05-01-2017 05:07 PM

A few technical concerns that bother me about a wider rollout of green technology. Battery storage for rooftop solar would be a problem at end of life disposal. Not sure where they're at as far as recyclability but it's something that needs addressing before we wind up with toxic stockpiles.

Lisnaholic 05-01-2017 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1830225)
Gotta love this climate change skeptic (easy there, actual skeptics, not denialists) resource
Global Warming and Climate Change Myths

^ Yes, this site has an impressive quantity of facts and figures, and from what I saw does a good job of debunking the arguments raised by denialists. It does too good a job, really - I came away depressed after 10 mins.

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Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1830265)
I live in the 9th largest city in the US. We had a system implemented that encouraged you to bring your own shopping bag along when you bought groceries. You could get a plastic bag if you needed one, but it cost you 5 cents. It didn't last long because all it took was some raging right-wing asshole who thought that the "gubment just has to get into everythang..." along with a bag manufacturer to sue the city. We also had our not just physically crippled governor cry that it was the end of "our free-market model" and that we were being "California-ized" (as if that were a bad thing). During that short five months, we raised a half-million dollars for environmental groups. Not anymore. Cocksuckers.

^ That's a shame. One step forward, then immediately back again! In the UK I think that the money collected in bag charges also goes to environmental causes, precisely to difuse allegations that it's all a government scam. How frustrating that the logic of that detail didn't win over your fellow citizens - plus of course the common sense of having a cleaner city. :(

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1830344)
A few technical concerns that bother me about a wider rollout of green technology. Battery storage for rooftop solar would be a problem at end of life disposal. Not sure where they're at as far as recyclability but it's something that needs addressing before we wind up with toxic stockpiles.

^ Good point. Never thought of that, so I don't have an answer to hand I'm afraid.

Stephen 05-01-2017 05:39 PM

Speaking of environmental issues I'm not sure if the situation in Northern Australia has made much news overseas but the idiot government here is looking to bankroll a massive new coal mine and shipping port right in the middle of the already struggling Great Barrier Reef.

Lisnaholic 05-01-2017 06:09 PM

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"Is this the worst mistake that Australia could make?"
^ Yeah, I haven't seen anything about this news story anywhere.

It sounds like double bad news ; screw up the Reef some more and release a bunch of CO2. At least there seems to be some well-coordinated protesting going on.
Perhaps you'll keep us posted on how this story plays out in the coming months...

Stephen 05-01-2017 06:20 PM

Basically the freaking morons torpedoed any green incentive schemes that had been put in place and decided that coal was the way of the future. Even as China moves away from coal and the bottom is dropping out of the industry they are determined to stay the course. They had a choice of putting Australia at the forefront of green technology or tying the country to a dying industry and they chose the latter.

Sorry for the whinge it's just so frustrating.


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