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Old 07-13-2017, 08:21 PM   #101 (permalink)
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This would lead to massive amounts of poverty and the extermination of the middle class
How does the income tax keep people out of poverty? Not being combative. I actually don't know.
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Old 07-13-2017, 08:24 PM   #102 (permalink)
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How does the income tax keep people out of poverty? Not being combative. I actually don't know.
Helps fund social programs and financial aid but is FAR from perfect.
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What social programs and what financial aid, specifically?
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have to wonder why sales tax is ok and income not, couldn't you consider them both "theft" in the same way
Any logic behind that first comment? Or examples of it? Other forms of government that use basically the opposite approach only seem to create mass poverty, and a tax-less society hasn't exactly been tried in the West.

(I'm not arguing that it would work because it's the opposite of, say, Communism btw)

And agree with the second part. I don't see why it's any different.

I'd be in favor of voluntary donations if there were to be some form of Government in a tax free system. Maybe set up via email.
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Unless you only tax very luxury items sales tax is very regressive.
Yeah it's the definition of a regressive tax

Idk if the people advocating for such a shift are aware the progressive tax system is the only thing keeping societies from being strictly have and have not
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How does the income tax keep people out of poverty? Not being combative. I actually don't know.
I'm not accusing you of not knowing this but two examples are Shays' Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion. One safe thing about a progressive income tax is that if it's implemented correctly the money will be there so people can't get caught in situations where tax evasion is inevitable. Another point is income tax on a proper sliding scale should not burden the poor. What hurts the poor is admittedly more complicated than that but taxing their toothpaste or whatever obviously doesn't help them.
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https://www.cbpp.org/research/federa...tax-dollars-go
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How does the income tax keep people out of poverty? Not being combative. I actually don't know.
Combats the natural growing wealth disparity inherent in Capitalism assuming it's a progressive tax, the only one I advocate

Pays for things like public education, roads, bridges, libraries things even those born poor have access to so that the opportunity gap isn't insurmountable

We have lots of examples right around the birth of the industrial age of what Capitalism looks like prior to progressive tax systems and it's pretty horrific for anyone not in the Employer class
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Very informative. Thank you, everyone.
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