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Old 02-07-2019, 03:33 PM   #1381 (permalink)
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Old 02-07-2019, 03:35 PM   #1382 (permalink)
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Kinda partially my point that that would be stupid logic. Or more like a natural side effect of my view on music that charles Ives' relevance is all about the quality of his music and not about any current or past critical notoriety (or otherwise) or popularity.
I agree that popularity is a stupid factor to consider. Context, however, can be very meaningful, because innovation can speak to quality and presentism can make that difficult to discern.

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Old 02-07-2019, 03:37 PM   #1383 (permalink)
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I agree that popularity is a stupid factor to consider. Context, however, can be very meaningful, because innovation can speak to quality and presentism can make that difficult to discern.
It's good to know the rough outline of how genres developed and branched out, but I admittedly spend very little time looking into historical context. Just enough to connect the dots into a larger, zoomed out map of musical styles.
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Old 02-07-2019, 03:58 PM   #1384 (permalink)
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Why anyone cares what anyone else cared about at some point back in time is the real pressing question.

Just take the music as it is on its own merits.

But that's just me. Whenever people start arguing about these things, my eyes glaze over.
why anyone cares about what anyone cares about is the real pressing question

just take the music discussion on its own merits
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Old 02-07-2019, 04:57 PM   #1385 (permalink)
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Is this GBOA music video racist?

from a thread of mine in another forum: Is this GBOA music video racist?


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I tend to like when they put horns into punk music, but still, the blackface and wigs.












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same song, seriously funkified:





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Old 02-07-2019, 09:32 PM   #1386 (permalink)
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if it helps your ego you can just chalk it up to not knowing about boring white people music

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I think we were arguing the same point. I was just making an ass out of myself for not looking up what CBGB was before arguing. I know the hip hop side, not the punk side. But yeah, gothic post-punk is beckoning me.
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I was mostly joking bout that but still

gothic post punk >>>>

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I think we were arguing the same point. I was just making an ass out of myself for not looking up what CBGB was before arguing. I know the hip hop side, not the punk side. But yeah, gothic post-punk is beckoning me.
I figure punk and rap/hip-hop were initially American phenomena, while goth/post-punk initially more British—though one critic I heard years ago described Cleveland's Pare Ubu as "post-punk before there was punk."









U2 was also considered post-punk.
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U2 blows

I've seen PiL live and half of Bauhaus now =)

the US has gothic post-punk too it's just called death rock
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I've seen PiL live and half of Bauhaus now =)

the US has gothic post-punk too it's just called death rock
Say what?

Somewhat harsh and not too accurate, but Johnny Lydon is a has-been Angeleno whose musical career essentially petered out sometime in the mid-1980s. Bauhaus/Tones-on-Tails/Love-and-Rockets/Peter-Murphy had a few good songs, but some of that music hasn't aged that well either. I liked Bela Logosi's Dead for several weeks, maybe a few months, and tried a little to like it a few years after that because we all try to be hipsters, I suppose.

U2 started in a small Vatican-dominated country to become one of the most successful bands, perhaps the most successful band, in history. For all the songs I like of the aforementioned, I might name twice as many U2 songs I like (though some are dependent on the mood).

The poetry of Bono's lyrics compares with Cohen or Dylan, while PiLs?

"I could be wrong, I could be right.
I could be black, I could be white."

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"Death Rock" sounds like a possible throwaway phrase by a critic maybe living in the 1960s.

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The earliest influences for some deathrock acts, such as 45 Grave for example, can be traced to the horror-themed novelty rock and roll acts of the late 1950s and early 1960s such as Bobby "Boris" Pickett and Zacherle with "Monster Mash";[11] Screamin' Jay Hawkins with "I Put a Spell on You"; Screaming Lord Sutch & the Savages with "Murder in the Graveyard";[12] and Don Hinson and the Rigormorticians with "Riboflavin-Flavored Non-Carbonated Poly-Unsaturated Blood".[13] These songs used sound effects to create a creepy atmosphere, dealt with taboo subjects (such as cannibalism) in a humorous, often campy manner.
As I understand it, post-punk, as the name implies, came after when a lot of people thought punk was dead, and some of it's branches were referred to as post-punk. Goth likely came a little later—and there's probably some overlap of these styles; and whatever Lucem Ferre is posting about sounds mostly this century.
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