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Old 08-04-2017, 07:10 PM   #381 (permalink)
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Do you agree that those people will be political? Maybe read my posts a little more closely.
And it's actually politics that prevented them from challenging it.

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And ONCE AGAIN, this bill does not just throw the doors wide open to someone peddling battery acid and axe body spray. The drugs already would have had to have passed the initial FDA guidelines.
*facepalm* I'm not gonna explain it to you four times in a row, dude. I'm not discussing this with you anymore because you're not considering my points and you literally do not understand the bill based on your arguments.

To anybody else, this is a fascinating subject that I'd still like to discuss more.
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Old 08-04-2017, 07:26 PM   #382 (permalink)
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And it's actually politics that prevented them from challenging it.
How so? Still waiting on you replying to your stupid statement about the Senate Iraq war vote.

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Old 08-04-2017, 07:37 PM   #383 (permalink)
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How so? Still waiting on you replying to your stupid statement about the Senate Iraq war vote.
The pharmaceutical industry was quiet on the issue and offered no protection for those that would have dissented and all of the lobbying was on the bill's side.

The Iraq thing was meant to convey that a popular bill doesn't equal a good bill. I'm quite aware that its not unanimous.

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And that's exactly what I've been saying this whole time. You can pass the safety standard and fail every single bull**** standard in place. You fail those efficacy tests and your drug is not approved. Not taking the test at all means that you are unapproved. That's where the snake oil can slide in, because it's not inherently dangerous (note that it was Bat that brought up battery acid so take it up with him). This is why I say that you do not understand.
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The pharmaceutical industry was quiet on the issue and offered no protection for those that would have dissented and all of the lobbying was on the bill's side.

The Iraq thing was meant to convey that a popular bill doesn't equal a good bill. I'm quite aware that its not unanimous.



And that's exactly what I've been saying this whole time. You can pass the safety standard and fail every single bull**** standard in place. You fail those efficacy tests and your drug is not approved. Not taking the test at all means that you are unapproved. That's where the snake oil can slide in, because it's not inherently dangerous (note that it was Bat that brought up battery acid so take it up with him). This is why I say that you do not understand.
I brought that up in response to Goofle coming with the libertarian deregulator schtick, not specifically to Chula.
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Old 08-04-2017, 09:06 PM   #387 (permalink)
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This is America.

Right to Try means the right to be exploited and given false hope at your most profound moment of desperation.

Even the name, a play on the right to die, a serious social issue, is crooked.

Kill money.
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Surely you understand the alternative is actually worse? People dying anyway, knowing the government isn't allowing them to try experimental medicine. And you're upset because some folks might make money?

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The last close to unanimous vote I remember was the Iraq war approval.
Talk about a flip flop Frowny. "I said close to unanimous vote but that's not what I really meant."

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Can we please just leave snake oil out of the discussion from here on out?
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I won't leave snake oil out of it because that's the biggest issue that I have with the bill.

Imagine explaining why you voted against UNANIMOUS FREEDOM to constituents like Chula. They just don't get it.
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